PJO FM - 3/13 - Demigods (Town) Wins!

[Emilia]

Idk if I even phrased coherently as I am not english.

[Silviu200530]

Do you espanoles

[Jane]

@Alice

Why am I sus?

@Alice

…and?

@Alice

/vote Eli @Aelin

@Alice

Eli, got any takes?

@Alice

If you’re V, just read people dude.

When you react to suspicion with humor it’s kind of bad as I know multiple players like SPF that do this shit to try diffuse the suspicion on them.

@Alice

Like, he basically then made an Among Us joke and then talked about how WTF my reaction test was and then froze, so yeah.

This isn’t like how he tends to be in his town games.

@Alice

The fact that he’s completely frozen, tbfh.

It’s basically why every game he’s in people just lock him V from the SoD as he freezes hard when he’s a wolf.

@Alice

He hasn’t done anything else since I pressured him, so yeah.

Plus he basically tried to dissipate the suspicion on him with humor, which from experience tends to be >rand W.

@Alice

Why is he V?

I mean computer dying for 4 hours is a relief as it didn’t die for any longer, but what is this sudden jump on a person and then returning the next 3 hours

He liked a post shortly afterwards and hasn’t made a single read since despite being able to make two posts in the thread.

@Alice

Eli’s an extremely polarized player to the point that if he has trouble getting into the thread he’s basically extremely likely to be a wolf.

That’s basically it.

@Alice

I wish I could dayvig Eli as the fact that we’re basically just going to pile on them due to them being strongly >>>rand W from their polarization makes the day kind of moot.

@Alice

W/e, I kinda want Pidgeon to die now after Eli as his entire play surrounding the thunderdome was stupidly opportunistic.

@Alice

Also I just re-read SFoL67 and Pidgeon’s appraoch to me/Marl look exactly like how he approached Frost there. I think it’s probably just Eli/Pidgeon/???.

@Alice

I honestly want Pidgeon/Eli wagons for today, tbfh.

Vig can go after the one who doesn’t get yeeted.

@Alice

@EliThePsycho

people are on me because sheep alice

people are on me because wrong meta
people are on me because i am bad at the game

This isn’t helping you case. Actually be villagery or die. I have easily and correctly locked you V from the SoD1 in literally every game I’ve spectated since I’ve returned. I’m p sure that if you’re V that I can find you eventually.

@Alice

Wouldn’t be surprised if the team’s basically Eli/Pidgeon/Gorta, tbfh.

Feels easy, but eh…

Eli’s just frozen. I don’t think any more discussion needs to be done over this unless someone can manage to towncase him as outing scumreads on a consensus wolf is an exercise in futility.

Pidgeon has basically show a complete inability to make reads outside bad mech this match while he was more capable of doing it in Gold Rush and his play in general mirrors more his play in SFoL 67 where instead of trying to read people he immediately went for the King because of bad mech reasons, like he did with my slot/Marl.

Gorta’s entire confusion play reminds me of how he did that shit in FAM and got TR’d over it and he hasn’t really been bothered to read anyone here so far, and hell, he hasn’t even shown any form of paranoia towards me this entire game while he generally does it every time he villages.

@Alice

I kinda just wanna hammer Eli as it doesn’t feel like he’s ever thawing out of this and we’re basically just wasting time here, tbfh.

@Alice

Eli popped in like twice and was just whining about being SR’d without doing anything.

ATP I think it’s just a pretty safe yeet and since people aren’t doing anything, then well…

@Alice

Honestly, atp I’m kind of okay with killing pidgeon regardless of w/e.

@Alice

Weh.

/vote thepidgeonnyc @Aelin @Mistyx

I’ll give you another day if there are no vigs for trying, but if you just freeze like this again then yeah.

@Alice

At least Eli is trying.

Pidgeon… really hasn’t done much and his read on me/Marl were WTF.

Progression here is okay. I think their treatment of Eli/engaging with them despite being frozen is more likely to come from Town Alice? I feel like if they were bussing they wouldn’t really engage with them, but I haven’t read an Alice wolfgame in long time.

Anyway, they’re supposedly self-resolving so it doesn’t really matter.

[Jane]

Forgot to spoiler the quotes, sorry.

[Zone_Q11]

@Wazza

it seems like he’s either a heavy hypocrite, or shading others.

Why not both? I don’t see why I can’t be someone with double standards who shades others.

@Wazza

@Zone_Q11

Well, I guess I am not part of everyone then. I’d rather still have Emilia over Eli. Maybe Silviu would be an alternative since his answer was shorter and less detailed than Jane’s.

Zone hasn’t directly justified his read, all he did was follow Alice and then took it and pretended that it was his own read.

If you ignore meta, then what Emilia did at SOD1 was just scummy. That is my justification.

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Meanwhile, I recall Alice starting to reconsider her reads on Emilia:

@Alice

@Luxy

Unfortunately, Emilia is town

Sadly I think that from the way they were insulted by me calling them anti-town makes them town as they wouldn’t be insulted were they wolf, kind of how I townlocked Nightingale in Dragonvale d1.

@Alice

@Zone_Q11

How to read Emilia? Read meta.

The problem with not reading Emilia on meta is because then she becomes ML bait every game they play. She does extremely anti-town shit all the damn time such as claiming fake checks on people or CC’ing them in open setups. I want to lynch her this game because of how bad and wolfy a fake d1 parity check is, but eh.

@Alice

V

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Alice
Marl
Nightingale
Zone
Clonedcheese
Min

Silviu
Luxy
Emilia

Jane
gorta
thepigeonnyc

EliThePsycho

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W

Caveat that if Marl’s alive late-game, then just lynch them.

–so no: I didn’t pretend Alice’s reads are my reads. My scumread on Emilia is MY READ.
Yes, I admit it started as a sheep-read, but it ended up becoming my own read.

It’s just that I can’t do anything with only one justification / argument against her, and everyone is literally flocking over to Eli (mainly) because of his meta.

I can’t even turn Emilia into D2’s CW since everyone is still hung up on her meta despite what recently happened in Meowtainado, so I had to settle with gorta since he is in the general POE alongside with me.

[Jane]

Summary

@Luxy

@thepigeonnyc

Something something Emilia Marl Alice town Luxy wolf due to thunderdome

pigeon jumping on this is >randwolf

@Luxy

@thepigeonnyc

Just gonna sheep this

/vote Alice @Aelin @Mistyx

???

@Luxy

Pigeon - Emilia, Alice, Marl Town, Luxy Wolf
Pigeon - Votes Alice?

@Luxy

That was literally one or two posts after with no progression whatsoever

@Luxy

Why did you sheep cloned

@Luxy

What was his argument?

@Luxy

Why did you have to go look to find the reasoning?

If it was so convincing wouldn’t you just remember it?

@Luxy

Pigeon flipflopping harder than a fish out of water

@Luxy

• EliThePsycho - >randwolf
  [Irrelevant]
• thepigeonnyc - Slight Scumlean
  [Irrelevant]

@Luxy

If my reads are correct then my PoE is very tight already

Eli/Silviu/Zone/pigeon with Emilia maybe depending on what happens as the day progresses.

Is there a misclear? Maybe, I’m definitely not sure on a lot of those slight townleans, but I’ve seen glimpses of Townieness come through so we will see.

@Luxy

/vote Pigeon @Aelin @Mistyx

@Luxy

Pigeon and Eli can go

@Luxy

I don’t think it’s because of yourself as a person.

It’s your play this game, and definitely would’ve been jumped on if you were on an alt account.

@Luxy

I think the worst look for Eli is he is doing the ‘Woe is me, everyone thinks im scum’ defense instead of actually trying to solve or find an alternative person to lynch

@Luxy

Emilia’s defence of pigeon definitely made some sense to me, I’m happy to back off this for now.

/unvote @Aelin @Mistyx

@Luxy

Zone randomly coming out of the woodworks to defend Eli is weird

@Luxy

Not necessarily AI indicative unless Eli flips wolf I think

@Luxy

Eli has been doing nothing and has been doing the ‘woe is me’ defence which generally comes from wolves.

@Luxy

He’s just given up, and rolled over.

@Luxy

My vote is in spirit on Eli

I’ll put it there when I go to sleep

@Luxy

• EliThePsycho - Wolf
  [Irrelevant]
• thepigeonnyc - Slight Scumlean, Emilia made sense on them
  [Irrelevant]

@Luxy

What

@Luxy

There isn’t even a pigeon wagon to self-pres onto

@Luxy

Half of me just wants to flip him so we can see whether or not Alice is a wolf

@Luxy

This is spicy.

I really don’t have a strong opinion on either I can see both flipping wolf quiet easily. Emilia’s defence of pigeon earlier made sense to me so I’m still leaning Eli

@Luxy

Eli all of a sudden popping up at end of the day to self pres push is vaguely wolfy

@Luxy

Anyway. I’m not preflipping Eli yet so if he does flip town I’ll look back at the main pushers in that case

@Luxy

Fuck it

/vote Pigeon

The progression here is ???

In their readslist, they’re confident Eli is a wolf, and have pigeon as only a slight wolflean. They give reasons why they want to vote Eli and don’t want to vote Pigeon but when the wagons become tied they suddenly “have no strong opinion on either” and end up voting Eli.

I also don’t get the “fuck it” sentiment from their vote? It was two minutes from EoD with 3/5 wagons on Eli/Pigeon. Their vote didn’t matter and wasn’t some reckless vote that could mess things up. I’d like Luxy to clarify what they meant here.

[Silviu200530]

Oooo, interesting Jane

[Jane]

Summary

@Zone_Q11

What am I even witnessing?
(A vote on Eli because he froze.)
How is this a thing?
(It just is.)
…
*freezes*

@Zone_Q11

Hello. I have headache and I skipped ~600 posts because there’s too much to backread, especially when I have headache.

Why are there still people on Eli instead of Emilia?

@Zone_Q11

(Oh. That was Alice.)
(Oh. That is a metaread.)

@Alice, why are you on Eli instead of Emilia?

@Zone_Q11

@Nightingale, why are you on Eli?

@Zone_Q11

@Luxy

Emilia’s defence of pigeon definitely made some sense to me, I’m happy to back off this for now.

What was even her defense? What could possibly triumph over a day three-way parity cop?

@Luxy

Zone randomly coming out of the woodworks to defend Eli is weird

Imagine this:

• Sign up for a game
• Play the game for a couple hours
• Vote the player whose claim seems overpowered
• Be busy with literally anything else IRL for hours
• Return to the game with 600+ new posts and a headache
• See that Emilia is not top wagon, but instead some guy who was apparently voted because of his meta, and people sheeping Alice

@Zone_Q11

But we don’t know for certain that Emilia is town. You guys are just enforcing meta to cover up bad play, which is all ‘everyone’ does as of late .

How to read Emilia? Read meta.
How to read Alice? Read meta.
How to read Eli? Read meta.

Bruh. Are we playing FM or are we going to live together in the same apartment, because this is basically “getting to know each other’s life, the game” at this point.

@Zone_Q11

@Luxy

Eli really isn’t being read on meta here, he’s being scumread because he’s doing nothing as I said before

Eh… Eeeh… He is seemingly out of the loop of anything outside his own wagon, so I’d say that’s fair enough.

@Zone_Q11

One of the reasons why Eli is being voted is because it is in his scum meta to freeze.

@Zone_Q11

@Alice

@Alice

Either way do you have any SRs outside of Eli?

Also this is something I wanna ask out of everyone here.

Eli’s basically the answer that everyone’s defaulting to and it’s kind of obvious that they’ll die at the EoD, so the game-state’s kind of meh.

Well, I guess I am not part of everyone then. I’d rather still have Emilia over Eli. Maybe Silviu would be an alternative since his answer was shorter and less detailed than Jane’s.

@Zone_Q11

@Alice

I kinda just wanna hammer Eli as it doesn’t feel like he’s ever thawing out of this and we’re basically just wasting time here, tbfh.

Hi. I see that you get to know how I felt at Paint Your Mafia, so let me use the excuse that people used back then (more or less): “We are waiting for more people to show up and continue the discussion. We can’t end the day yet when we haven’t truly known what everyone thinks.”

@Zone_Q11

It is because people aren’t doing anything that I am worried. It looks easy; too easy.
I’d expected more of a fight, but… Eli doesn’t seem to make any hard pushes.

IDK if his scumbuddies have given up on him if Eli is scum, but I’d imagine that losing a scumbuddy D1 is something you’d want to prevent from happening as scum.

@Zone_Q11

Nyeh… it all sounds too smooth.
Too good to be true.

@Zone_Q11

Sigh. Well, okay.
I will help you hasten the process.
It doesn’t seem that anyone is exactly in the mood for a Marl or Emilia wagon anyway.

/vote EliThePsycho @Aelin @Mistyx

@Zone_Q11

130 minutes left. Probably enough time to do some groceries.

Anyone else online at the moment? I feel like the thread has become empty.

@Nightingale, why did you vote Eli?

@Zone_Q11

@EliThePsycho

i don’t even know the wagons all i know is that mist thinks pigeon is scummy

i will ISO him to find out myself

…do wolves really be this derpy?

@Zone_Q11

@clonedcheese

Currently thought is on eli but done wanna vote at L-2

Why not? Alice already mentioned how Eli is so polarized that his scumbuddies -if he is scum- would either let him die or outright bus him.

@Zone_Q11

If we don’t get any new wagons, then we might as well just get Eli over with now.

@Zone_Q11

@EliThePsycho

CFD to pigeon

…eh, I can live with this.

/unvote @Aelin
/vote thepigeonnyc @Aelin

@Zone_Q11

Look, I’m just saying it looks dumb as hell to scumread Alice in the event that Eli flips town. Y’all decided to exe Eli for freezing, but I don’t see how that’s scummy at all.

That, and Eli finally pushed Pigeon.
(It’s about damn time.)

@Zone_Q11

@Aelin

6/7

Hm… Too close for comfort.

/unvote @Aelin

@Zone_Q11

Well… I would be lying if I said I don’t feel the same, but unless you have another good CFD target, Eli’s wagon seems to be the only other (managable) CFD alternative.

–actually, I just realized we have 5 mins left, so we probably can’t CFD again.

@Zone_Q11

Well, okay.

/vote Pigeon @Aelin

Really don’t know what to makes of Zone’s vote tbh.

@Zone_Q11 why were you so adamant about not lynching Eli and why were you fine with the pigeon wagon?

[Silviu200530]

@Jane

why were you so adamant about not lynching Eli and why were you fine with the pigeon wagon?

This looks like a sentence that won’t age well on many people

[Jane]

Wdym by that?

[Silviu200530]

You might not realize it now, but there are people who wanted to lynch Eli but then decided to switch to pigeon because they didn’t want to vote the fellow icecube

[Silviu200530]

Besides Zone and me

[Silviu200530]

Here, I think it is a common reaction, so I’m wondering if we know if is really wolf motivated

[EliThePsycho]

/vote Luxy @Aelin
this will do fine.

[Silviu200530]

And your verbose reasoning is…

[EliThePsycho]

jane’s case is pretty good ngl

[Silviu200530]

Oh forget the fellow Belgian, it’s not like you guys are twins

[Silviu200530]

C’mon Eli, we are waiting of why ya thinking Luxy is bad-die

[EliThePsycho]

@EliThePsycho

jane’s case is pretty good ngl

@Silviu200530

C’mon Eli, we are waiting of why ya thinking Luxy is bad-die

sorry my computer is dying

[Silviu200530]

Can you tell your computer to die later.

Thanks