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#1103

A lot has changed in ToL since then

#1104

Itā€™s still really easy to use exclusively mech and win that way

#1105

Debatable

#1106

No changes that change the basis of the game being lolmech

#1107

I RNGā€™d a valid ToL rolelist (I donā€™t 100 percent know the spawn rules, but itā€™s at the very least valid even if I didnā€™t use the exact proportions that would be used in an actual game)

Evil King
Mastermind
Assassin
Sellsword
Scorned
Mercenary
Sorc
Prince
Sheriff
Hunter
Knight
Observer
Mystic
Knight
Noble
Physician

this rolelist is scumsided by ToL standards - no BD offensives, 3 neuts, and two of the neuts are a Sellsword and a Scorned, and I do actually think evils could potentially win off the fact that the game starts as a 9v7

yet, of the BD roles:

Prince - autoconfirmed due to being Prince
Sheriff - effectively confirmed if no one fakeclaims Sheriff
Hunter - semi-confirmed if they claim early and donā€™t get CCā€™d (faking unique classes is rare in a long-form environment), can also hardconfirm themself by bleeding someone in the same day as an Assassin
Knight - not confirmed
Observer - semi-confirmed because no one fakes Obs
Mystic - hardconfirmed
Knight - not confirmed
Noble - confirmable with force vote, semi-confirmable with accurate Gossip results, can also hardconfirm almost every other BD class
Physician - confirmed if no one else claims Phys/Chrono/Alch

thatā€™s potentially 7/9 BD classes confirmed at rand before we get into Gossip-confirmability

if we add in the fact that 48 hours is more than enough time to coordinate mass-confirmation with a Noble and an Observer ā€¦ yeah

#1108

Literally like 5 players played and shouted at/lynched the rubbish players until the game mech solved

#1109

How likely is it that the MM wonā€™t fake sheriff?

#1110

this is a valid summary, but you have yet to say one thing that is bad

hard mech confirms are the best way to read people

#1111

not claiming obs as MM is trolling

#1112

Mercenary should be claiming sheriff anyway

#1113

faking cop is a bad idea for like
many reasons
itā€™s a claim that puts an incredible amount of pressure on you, because you either have to

  • clear innocent villagers, and thus tighten the PoE agianst you
  • clear your wolfbuddies, meaning that if you flip your wolfteam is fucked
  • redpeek innocent villagers, which is, as mentioned, basically impossible since 7/9 classes are confirmable
  • bus your wolfbuddies, meaning that youā€™re bussing in a setup where youā€™re already down on both numbers and mechanics, what are you doing

let alone the fact that sheriff is not just a cop

#1114

Then the SS ruins this.

#1115

the mercenary and sellsword just strolling in

(i do agree though)

#1116

you
you do realise that this mass-confirmation would account for that, right
ToL is barely balanced for the environemnt itā€™s in, let alone on the forums

#1117

also
look at Randomiser
Gossip is an insane ability, and that was using the nerfed version of Gossip we use

#1118

obviously itā€™ll be reviwed but
considering that most of the people telling you that the setup is a bad idea are reviewers, donā€™t count on it passing

#1119

yeah thatā€™s why merc claims sheriff not MM

#1120

if youā€™re not faking investigative as town sided neutral are you really playing ToL

#1121

the recent problem with village never winning isnā€™t actually recent
we were always this bad at mafia
itā€™s just we were playing villagesided setups, and now that we donā€™t, weā€™re slowly noticing that weā€™re bad at mafia

#1122

no, donā€™t

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