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eevee’s thought of a day:
Because the more complicated a game is, the more difficult it is for the Town, there comes a point where increasing the number of pro-Town power roles may actually tilt the game balance in favour of the Mafia.
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Obviously having a cop is more helpful than just having plain townies. But there comes a point where having more and more roles only complicates the situation.
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Town power roles can hurt townies when interacting with each other.
Vig can kill townie
Doc can heal scum
Tracker can out other townie PR
Bodyguard can kill vig
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This leads to confusion, which can only hurt the town. In such a situation it will be much easier for the Scum - i.e. the informed minority to work out what is going on than the Town.
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2.1. Truthful claims by pro-town players may appear to be false due to weird combination of roles effects.
2.2. It becomes easier for scum to get away with fake claims (they can also explain away inconsistencies by some unidentified complexity ie. roleblock / framing).
2.3. It becomes impossible or difficult for anyone to confirm themselves. Which is probably worst of outcomes - someone claims a role, town doesn’t believe him, but scum knows it’s actually real and can play around it. -
Even without interactions, complicated roles may lead to lynches or clears purely bsing on a claim. Ie. Role to complicated to be belivable being lynched despite being pro-town.
On the other side - when setup is outed to have heavy complex roles, it leads to paranoia on certain roles, leading to potentially refusing to clear certain clearing roles. -
Conversely, where there is a complex set-up it gives the Scum much more leeway in coming up with fake claims. Once it has been established that there are complex/improbable roles in the game, the Scum can make up complex/improbable fake claims, safe in the knowledge that they will not be counterclaimed and the improbability of their claim will not be used against them.
So question is… where is the point where adding additional town role to the setup is tilting game more into scum favour?
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Dunno. You’d need to experiment with that.
My random guess would be when 70% of all power roles are town.
By adding tons of roles, aka. tons of chaos.
I’m aware.
Despite having load of OP roles, there is just so much going on, that scum has easier time blending in.
I guess what I want to come up as final question here is…
How to figure out we are only making game more chaotic when adding more roles or overcomplicating existing ones and how to best avoid it.
This would help game designers to create games which are coherent together, instead of just creating more and more chaos.
there is also cop9 MU turbos if one would like to play without PRs after day 1
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every single time you execute a cop day 1, at least one person who might eventually rand town in the near future wins
therefore you should execute the cop day 1 every game
eevee’s thought of a day 2:
There are 3 ways to build FM game:
- Creating setup based on balance
- Creating setup based on flavor
- Creating setup based on mechanics
After choosing one way, best course of action is to polish it as much as you can, while keeping other things as standard as possible.
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you forgot
theres a 4th
4. create a setup based on pissing off your players as much as possible
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