Return Of The Darkness Upick - Game Over - well that happened i guess

im probably going to vote sulit
they look to me like theyre grasping for reasons not to thunderdome PKR
which is a wolfy mindset

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PKR is doing the exact same thing though

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even if i think its a more genuine mindset

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pkrs later posts completely invalidate my above read
hhhhhhhhhhh

i still think sulit is wolfy for it but requires more evaluation

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But like, I donā€™t think this should be in essence a thunderdome.
I want others to flip before Sulit does because I believe her. I just do.

If we ever flip something which messes with dark votes, dark voters, investigativesā€¦ or is a rolecop/investigative for mafia then Iā€™m going to basically have her in my lock-clears

I cannot think of a single role that anyone but you could have to mess with that result

Then someone is lying about their claim then.
Or someone has more to it than theyā€™ve admitted.

No **** Sherlock. :unamused:
Thatā€™s what weā€™ve been saying ever since sulit claimed.

There is a difference check between you and sulit

By refusing to acknowledge this, you are actively damaging townā€™s win chance in any world where you are a villager and sulit is a wolf, which is incredibly likely at this point

And you have no reason to believe this other than your own personal read

Quite frankly, if you are a villager here, you are holding the game hostage because you are so confident youā€™re right

This is legitimately worse than any hero vig shot

If you are a villager, this is borderline gamethrowing

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Yes, but others are saying the liar has to be me or sulit.
And Iā€™ve presented ways where it doesnā€™t has to be either of us.

If sulit is genuinely what she claims to be, which I believe she is, Iā€™m saving an ā€œI told you soā€ for post game

Well what do I do then?
Just accept itā€™s a thunderdome despite believing itā€™s not?
To vote someone Iā€™m townreading?

Yes

Because there is hard mechanical evidence pointing towards that

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At least try to find and push wolves outside of the thunderdome

Instead of voting yourself and hard shielding a player who you functionally have a red check on

okay so heres my refined read
PKRs mindset makes sense coming from a villager and from a wolf
As a wolf, they donā€™t want to be thunderdomed. Easy.
As a villager, it makes total sense to reject thunderdoming one of their townreads when theyā€™ve been burned by mechanics many times over in many previous games. PKR states this is the case, and works off of this. It doesnā€™t look panicked or desperate, but it could be construed as agenda.
Yes itā€™s very unlikely someone would mess with the result, but itā€™s not unreasonable for V!PKR to think this after a situation like Spak/Light in Umineko 2 sucked up thread air for 2 full in-game days.

Sulit was struggling out of the thunderdome with their first posts, trying to say that ā€œwhat if PKR isnā€™t a darkvoterā€ and ā€œwhy would w!PKR block gorta.ā€
Iā€¦ canā€™t see a way to justify this mindset as a villager. It just looks like a perspective slip.

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Technically it is possible that you two are V/V if there is a redirector who redirected you for some reasons beyond me. But Occamā€™s Razor tells me: ā€œNah. Itā€™s either PKR or sulit. End of discussion.ā€

Whatā€™s the worth of your townread when their claim contradicts yours?
Surely you arenā€™t going to tell me that you would townread someone who you have redchecked?

Iā€™m fucking losing my mind rn.
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We need to look for wolves outside of me/sulit because I guess this is my next best thing which Mist pointed out.

/vote sulit @icibalus @datbird

Iā€™m trying to make sure Iā€™m not making mistake

Mistake or misinterpretation here could possibly mean 2 villagers dying and i dont really want that to be my fault because i fucked up or something

so im trying to think of other possibilities besides pkr is lock scum

i understand contradiction but im looking at other things too

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