Return Of The Darkness Upick - Game Over - well that happened i guess

Also I sleepze

geez I forgot Jane even posted

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and barely

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Iā€™m rereading appā€™s ISO and I think I get what Marl thinks is townie (specifically the way App expresses their reads, instead of the actual content) and I do think that the way Marl talks about it is pretty villagery on how they approached a read that goes against threadstate

I do think this is just a super cliche intermediate-wolf line though and I still think appā€™s read content is wolfy

specifically, that line becomes a cliche because itā€™s very likely a product of a wolf being unsure about what stances to take
not a villager trying to evaluate the reads that they have created

I thought that line from App was just NAI tbh
like either alignment could say it, and it basically accomplishes nothing

other than that, Iā€™m a little concerned App was attempting to pocket me? but he kind of went back on that after reading my ISO without all the other posts in reply, so maybe not.
reading how he treated other slots so far, I agree with his Marl read although nothing is really a new take there. His take on Chloe is ~fine but doesnā€™t really stand out either way so far, except for the mindmeld claim, and I guess Iā€™ll leave that for Chloe to discern. I think the only non-consensus reads I see from him so far are on Mist and me, but he explained both of those and it looks like he handled them ok (although idk about the redacted reason for TRing Mist, but I guess when the time comes, if the time comes, heā€™ll probably elaborate). Anyway Iā€™m gonna hold my read on him where it is till I get a better feel for his alignment.

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at this point if youā€™re town youā€™re just going to confbias the hell out of your read if you read into a statement like that that much

like yes itā€™s super easy to say that as a wolf, but itā€™s not AI at all

Iā€™m just saying this so if you are town, you can try to remain objective when evaluating me and donā€™t just tunnel. Like if you have legitimate criticism Iā€™m happy to hear it, but donā€™t just go lol funny comment come from wolf or youā€™ll never think clearly about it.

what is wolfy about trying to pocket you fwiw

nah itā€™s just paranoia
Iā€™m not wolfreading you off that alone lol

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if I were to (hypothetically!!:flushed::flushed:) defend windward
then I would say that I donā€™t think this is how a wolf thinks about a player townreading them when theyā€™re in a bad pressure spot

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Plane lit

Be back in

4ish hour

Bye

no I meant if I was trying to pocket you why would that be wolfy

oh, because I assumed the term ā€œpocketā€ specifically was only wolf pocketing town, kind of like how only wolves can bus wolves

gotcha

fwiw I think thereā€™s a lot of value to pocketing people as town as well

thatā€™s probably true
I just donā€™t call it pocketing lol

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that particular line
is one of those things Iā€™ve seen multiple times before from wolves and almost none from villagers

I think it is because when players are forming reads as an intermediate wolf, theyā€™re usually looking at what type of stances they should make to advance their agenda
While villagers are forming reads, they have leans pre-created in their head, and theyā€™re trying to evaluate it instead of trying to decide what type of read to apply in a vacuum

The line ā€œwhy dont wolves just show themselves this game is hardā€ comes from a person whoā€™s unsure about what stances they can get away with taking in an entire-thread-pov more often than a person who has subconscious leans on players from reading the thread in a post-by-post-pov

if that makes sense

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I like how this is my response to

if you read into a statement like that that much

but itā€™s very much a thing I learned from experience and I definitely wouldnā€™t read into it if I didnā€™t have that experience with this line in particular

and after all this
I come up with placing App just below Jane on my reads :joy_cat: