Return Of The Darkness Upick - Game Over - well that happened i guess

[Mistyx]

one of my backup picks was my avatar and the other was something im not going to mention because it was really more an excuse for me to make a joke

[Marluxion]

yeah this was the post that TMI’d night
Does not TMI mist i dont think

[Chloe]

Okay I’m just going to do a comprehensive ISO, including parts that I dislike or find wolfy.
This is a thought-dump, not a case

First ~25 posts are entirely NAI, minus the fact that kat claimed miller, which is a point against them in an Icibalus custom setup, but definitely not damning. I would not put it past Luna to fuck with kat for picking themself as their flavor (or just for being kat) lol

@katze

/vote WindwardAway @DatBird @Icibalus Icib

this is an obvious wolf, btw

@katze

its ok ill talk myself out of it later

im relatively confident in correctly reading wind

I don’t think this is as clearing as kat is making it out to be, as it’s a pretty naked vote, and kat definitely wasnt the first person to call out / vote wind

it went:
chloe calls out wind and votes her → wind selfvotes → mist says ‘nah fuck that. shutting down reads is wolfy bro’ (paraphrased) and votes wind → zone hops on the wagon for the hell of it → kat calls wind obvwolf and votes

so
yeah
i dont think this is as non-w/w as kat is making it out to be

i also originally read this as a joke vote ngl
like it reads as super flat tonally
but that could be explained by it being an overplayed read that they blew out of proportions for the hell of it… which i think this is

continuing the ISO i dont even feel like wind interactions are like
clearing
they’re a good look because kat was on her case pretty early, but scumreading a partner isn’t out of kat’s scumrange by any means

v-reading 2 LHF slots p early is yummy (silviu and gorta)
kat is definitely a strong wolf and able to push for harder elims but maintaining said townreads throughout the game doesn’t help further down the line when they have to get MLs on the slanky/newer/‘weaker’ players
this is not by any means a large portion of my townread on kat but i do think its a better look than not, as w!kat proobably tries to keep that PoE nice n lorge and leave wiggle room for necessary progression into scumreads

probably dumb but like
i think w!kat struggles a bit more with making their read on me believable - especially with how they portray doubt and paranoia
kat kinda just accepts me as a villager and thats that
its like… pretty close to how ive been treating them lol
its natural
its honestly like
the opposite of how i feel they would treat me as a wolf
especially after d1, kat could abbbsolutely make me look sus af because of how i mentioned wind could be TWTBAW, and didnt end up on her wagon
she didnt skew anything or paint me as a wolf
also, when marshal expressed a scumread on me today that would have been the perfect time for kat to say ‘yeahhh chloe is kinda wolfy ngl, but i’ve been scared to say that ’ and bing bam boom chloe is in consensus poe

@katze

unironically wolfreading apprentice

@katze

i was kind of expecting someone to check and notice he was literally zeroposting

the scumread isn’t really fake though

thread feels generally villagery, would say that being a 0 poster is >rand W given that

probably not terribly so, and last time i made this read 2 of my top townreads were wolves, but

y’know

based read
if the slot is a wolf i think this is a pretty good look for throwing the slot into the spotlight when literally nobody had talked it up until this point
i also think this is a good read in general and feels like a villa thought process :sparkleshrug:

kinda stupid but there were a lot of times where kat specifically said shit to see if they could say it before i did
like trying to predict my responses to things
which i feel like is much easier to do if we’re have the same alignment and thus the same thought process lmfaoo

@katze

chloe stop thinking about worlds in which they flip V

deal with it if it happens, they sealed their own fate

stop giving a shit about their alignment

this really freakin pinged me as i was trying to make damn certain app was a wolf, and let him know that if he wasnt, i would make sure his reads go entirely ignored if he continued to maintain the wolfclaim
but kat’s follow-up is… entirely true and makes that post a lot less bad:

@katze

because i know you well enough

you’re capable of talking yourself out of voting him D1

then we both had doubt on App/YBW at like the same exact time
as someone (probably macdougall) would say, hypocrisy like this is townie

@katze

/vote WindwardAway

call me TBE, because counterwagons are kinda

and im talking myself out of D1ing YBW, but i still think it’s… kind of the right play, even if it might be wrong… help

good vote
eli was top wagon at this point (Eli 3, Wind 1, Marl 1, YBW 1, Marshal 1)
the townie thing about this isn’t that the vote is on wind, but the major mindmeld post that kat posted right afterwards:

@katze

my gut says eli is a villager

its not for their posts but the fact they’re trying to give their perspective on things they aren’t really in the know of

it doesnt entirely feel agendaey it just kinda feels like he has an opinion he wants to share

whereas i think as a wolf he’d feel a biiiit more stilted with it?

idk

i guess its a bit more than a gut read

this is my take for the time being time to go back to occasionally lurking

@Marluxion post more

yum

im really tempted to stop typing here because im… really confident in kat being a villager, and this is insanely time consuming
but if i dont do that then arete will keep pushing kat and itll be annoying and my read on kat will be ignored once i die! wowee!

@katze

before chloe says “wow derps/marshal w/w” im just gonna state that 2182 is one of those very unlikely to be w/w posts and shut her brain up

see
again
kat shuts down my weirdass stupid take before i can even say it lol

@katze

actually ill just shut arete up for good

i retract the miller claim

no softs, no motivation

shoo

stupid chloe originally read this as a real retract and my townread went down the drain

in context it was to get arete to read kat outside of the miller claim which is fine
NAI tbh

@katze

because it made me feel good and tingly inside

and i remember thinking “wow thats a fake thought” instinctively

then realizing that it probably isn’t since min hasn’t played with me much

this is cute

my eyes hurt and im falling asleep this is hard

@katze

Anyway the read was pretty confident for an early game read so I turned it up to 11 to put her under pressure

okay yeah the early wind vote was overplayed like i thought
which explains the flat tone

we have a shit ton of mindmelds and past a certain point i’d like to think it’s near unfakeable? they arent all posted with the intention to pocket specifically me because thats so much effort and i doubt kat does that - and im also not in the thread at the same time as them alll the time

@katze

arete is like literally blatantly wolfing but is also a villager i hate it i hate it i hate it

this was one ftr

OKAY
EoD shit
I explained this earlier so i’m going to copy+paste it so i dont have to type it out again

@Chloe

another really shitty reason to townread kat is that kat was fucking selfvoting at EoD when a wolf got doinked
and the kat i know and love would either go for the hardbus there (this is more likely!!!) or save their scumbud. not… do nothing

yes this is a terrible reason to townread kat but its legit lol
shes gunna be mad at me for making this read

Next thing in kat’s ISO that i find AI is the push onto Zone with the ‘1610’

@katze

Anyway.

By the way @WindwardAway, thanks for the pep talk. I can’t say I will do well in reality, but I will at least try to do my best. heart

@Zone_Q11, what “pep talk” are you talking about, and why

@katze

I fucking shrooped. I did it.

@katze

and why

“and why has nobody else seen this as a 1610 like I have?”

@katze

Reading Wind’s ISO. I don’t see a pep talk in the latter half, and I assume if it were in the former half, that the pep talk would have been thanked on Day 1.

/vote Zone_Q11

@katze

This really is a moment.

…I’m leaving thread before it takes over me.

@Zone_Q11

It has something to do with my ability.

Don’t worry about it. It’s not that useful anyway.

Okay, so you’re a Medium and a wolf gave you a pep talk?

@katze

@Zone_Q11

However, why does that result in you voting me?

I see someone referencing a pep talk with a dead wolf, said pep talk is not in thread.

I don’t understand why my concern confuses you, to be frank.

@katze

I thought this earlier, and still kind of want to think it – buuuuuut Zone isn’t incapable of replicating it to a degree. My gut says to sheep @Arete on the slot, but I’m really irked by that “1610”.

@katze

It feels mildly slimy to talk about this

But I know Zone isn’t a player who strongly prefers Discord scum chats, and in the JoJo’s game was completely content using the forum PM until min had asked for a discord one for themselves.

Realistically, I think Wind would probably be someone who wants a discord? She seems to be a talker.

Meh.

This ‘gotcha’ moment is just
omegavillalalalaialaiailaggery
its entirely baseless but kat REALLY believes in it
their conviction behind the push and reasoning is incredibly pure and i believe that they believe in it

im stopping here, i cant keep going, i have homework to do and this is exhausting me
none of this was re-read so there are probably a million typos and parts that make no sense
lemme know if anything isnt understandable

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@Arete katze is a villager
bottom text.

[katze]

@WindwardAway

man i sure do think that Mistyx is definitely a villager with my power of TMI

idk how u missed this

[Nightingale]

okay fine i chose my primary pick instead of toski or kareena
because i thought that Icibalus would be more likely to make an interesting role based around it instead of saying “im not going to read an entire webcomic to make 1 out of 17 roles for my UPick”

[Mistyx]

okay but consider

she should read the webcomics anyway

because they’re good

[Nightingale]

anyways im only talking about flavor as an excuse to give this thread a discussion that i can participate in without thinking hard

and fair enough yes

[Mistyx]

i’ll talk about flavor

actually i invite guesses as to my role’s flavor

though i won’t confirm or deny anything

[Nightingale]

ive also softed my real flavor in thread already :^)

[Chloe]

im rocky road

[Nightingale]

society is my favorite fictional character

[Mistyx]

my other backup choice was lemon demon

but not the band the fnf one

i dont know why i did this and it was an explicitly terrible idea given that looking at it scares me

[Mistyx]

okay so who’s hosting the hydra upick

[Chloe]

im down

[Chloe]

idk how to make a solid setup but im down

[Arete]

is flavor-claiming allowed

(this is a question not a passive aggressive comment)

[Mistyx]

it is but there could be possible downsides

i think

[Nightingale]

anyways my real role is

you thought it would be an original joke but it was me

[Chloe]

kat claimed in their first post

thats all i know

im playing as if theres anticlaim so im being smartze

[katze]

@Chloe

kat claimed in their first post

to be fair i think anticlaiming a miller katze is +EV for town

unless like

ur a wolf