Return Of The Darkness Upick - Game Over - well that happened i guess

[Marshal]

Why scum

(you have time 2 explain dis one)

[Zone_Q11]

@SirDerpsAlot

@Zone_Q11

@SirDerpsAlot, sorry in advance if you already wrote/made it while i am making this ISO, but what’s your readlist? Did you ever put YBW/gorta as your townreads?

Yeah gorta is basically locktown I had tr ybw but at this point I think their just a wolf who’s given up

Oh. That actually makes gorta more town since his point now makes sense; it is indeed -EV to have vig shoot your townreads.

@Zone_Q11

Unimpressed by Jane’s vote;
Sees Marl’s death as -EV; (…that’s weird. Since when did gorta express to have read anyone outside Chloe/sulit/katze/Derps? When did he TR Marl?)
Tells Derps it is -EV to kill townreads. (Context: Derps was planning on having vig be used on YBW or gorta.)

Ah, btw this should’ve been P#5410.

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@SirDerpsAlot

@Zone_Q11

@SirDerpsAlot, sorry in advance if you already wrote/made it while i am making this ISO, but what’s your readlist? Did you ever put YBW/gorta as your townreads?

Yeah gorta is basically locktown I had tr ybw but at this point I think their just a wolf who’s given up

Okay. Hey, do you want to join ATNoName’s wagon instead of voting Marl?

[ATNoName]

Wind’s ISO:

Wind's post

@WindwardAway

other than that, I’m a little concerned App was attempting to pocket me? but he kind of went back on that after reading my ISO without all the other posts in reply, so maybe not.
reading how he treated other slots so far, I agree with his Marl read although nothing is really a new take there. His take on Chloe is ~fine but doesn’t really stand out either way so far, except for the mindmeld claim, and I guess I’ll leave that for Chloe to discern. I think the only non-consensus reads I see from him so far are on Mist and me, but he explained both of those and it looks like he handled them ok (although idk about the redacted reason for TRing Mist, but I guess when the time comes, if the time comes, he’ll probably elaborate). Anyway I’m gonna hold my read on him where it is till I get a better feel for his alignment.

@WindwardAway

Looks like I missed App openwolfing before replacing out lol. So I’d vote YBW.

I have… 600 more posts to read to catch up on, yikes. Gonna take a break before I continue

@WindwardAway

Wanted to backread first before placing a vote
But I’m still not sold on App/YBW being town

However this looks like a good place to be

/vote Derps

@WindwardAway

I think Marl’s reasoning on Derps/YBW not being w/w is a logical take because of the way Derps jumped on the wagon, and since YBW kind of hasn’t done much, although I think the openwolfing could have been real, the slot is probably a better vig shot than a wagon at the moment. Derps’ activity in the thread while I was away just seemed weird, particularly in his interaction with Marshal where he just said to ignore Marshal until she went to sleep.

@WindwardAway

I still think the slot’s been wolfy
but I also think Derps was wolfy
and I guess both of them cant be wolves together

@WindwardAway

I should clarify that I meant, I’d rather wagon Derps, and if Derps flips V someone should vig YBW

@WindwardAway

it would be weird for wolf!me to say that, though, considering Apprentice sort of shielded my slot until he got called out for it

@WindwardAway

it was literally a couple minutes ago
but i can give a more detailed explanation with quotes and stuff

Derps’ ISO and my take on it

@WindwardAway

Also, why policy if the slot got replaced? Ybw isn’t App either

@WindwardAway

When I backread App’s hardclaim wolf, I thought Kat dismissed the slot pretty quickly, regardless of whether she read it as coming from a wolf or a villager, and it struck me as an easy way to get the slot out (similarly to how I view Derps’ vote based on policy lynch rather than an actual read)

@WindwardAway

By that, I mean it looked more like a “you’re dead to me” sort of positioning of App’s slot as opposed to trying to do anything with it

Maybe that was for the better, but idk

@WindwardAway

oh, ok then
what about Eli, though

@WindwardAway

why did you try to vote Eli if he’s only at null for you?

@WindwardAway

because of App’s move, or because you also think YBW should be policy yeeted here? I don’t see why we should policy yeet a replacement, is all I’m getting at.

If I have to say anything about my experience with wolf!wind. It’s that they have the same problem with me being that they struggle with deciding what to do with TMI. I think Wind’s push on Derps is very opportunistic and a way to stall a very suspicious slot simply because she didn’t hesitate to push App while he was still not replaced and then suddenly flipping a 180 and saying they shouldn’t yeet a replacement. That’s what I think regarding Wind’s treatment of my slot.

[sulit]

Everyone else is townier

[Marshal]

Who isn’t townier.

(AKA what’s your PoE)

[sulit]

I will get back to you I am watching a show with my mom

[Mistyx]

@Chloe

Didn’t you townread eli or am i trippin

yeah but then i stopped

[Marshal]

I’m going to do ISOs on misty/eli/marl/night, my ‘these are just a villager but poooossssibly not’ tier

With the goal of moving them up if possible

that’s my task for the next howevermany hours, may take a while.

[Nightingale]

someone tell me who to iso thats relevant so i can do stuff while not doing stuff

[Arete]

Derps (counterwagon from yesterday)
Marl (poisoned )
AppYBWname (contentious openwolf slot)
Jane (pick this one if you want to be lazy and just Iso the living player with the fewest posts across all slots)

[sulit]

Chloe (Wind spew)
Katze (confident chloe read)

gorta (everyone just seems confident he’s town so shrug)
Eli (also read leach if live later game look back at iso because i feel like some of the ways he interpreted posts were kind of weird like he wasn’t actually thinking through his reads? sulit bad at explain)

Zone (in town meta, haven’t been pinged, seems fine, not enough to move up tho, if marshal flip wolf id say townier)
Night (haven’t really paid much attention to night since they pinged me d1, poison claim seemed towny and leeching read off what other people have said in thread about them)
Mist (honestly I don’t rememeber Mist that much and I want to iso them to get a more confident read but im tired and already did marshal. here for their Wind vote mostly.

Jane (Wind vote keeps out of direct POE, haven’t done anything I remember as specifically villagery or wofly)
Marl (Wind vote keeps them out of direct POE, Marl hasn’t done anything that specifically pings me but I feel like as village I just, notice Marl more? He doesn’t seem to have the same sort of spark.)
ATNoName (I still think the Apprentice openwolf thing was towny, but theres not much else the slot has done to move them out of here)

Marshal (Ok, so I went through Marshal’s iso just now and I pulled a bunch of quotes. Realistically, Marshlal’s wolfgame is really good and I don’t know why poeple are giving her such easy clears, especially Chloe considering she seems more scared of Derp’s wolfgame than Marshals? No offense Derps. I found thingz that could be potentially wolfy, but I’d really like Derp’s flip to be able to solve Marshal because if it flips scum I’ll be way less concerned. However it feels like marshal is like, oppurtunistically dropping people in her POE or not reading people in order to be able to push them later on. Her read flip on me felt weird and her Zone push eod also felt weird given there was like, no explanation behind it whatsoever. Also, her treatment of Wind D1 was kinda SUS bro, she never commmited to a read on Wind and she never really mentioned Wind much at all. Addionally her min read feels kinda weird? I don’t think min got mad enough for her to clear her for it, and i swear i remmeber min getting just as angry as wolf. Wolf Derp flip - leave alone for a bit probably, town Derp flip - look into harder. )
Derps (I think Wind spew is towny and I townread him D1, but I trust Marshal’s judgement on the slot if he’s town and I think the flip would be helpful overall
arete (just not townier than everyone else, I feel like these reads frusterate people but I just haven’t seen anything from either arete or TL to move them above anyone higher)
minturies (same as above)

I feel inherently unhappy with this list but i already made it and dont feel like moving stuff around

[Arete]

I’m having a hard time understanding the relative position of sulit’s reads (as in, I’m having a hard time understanding why she would consider [a] a stronger reason to townread [A] than [b] a reason to townread [B], for … a lot of the people on her list)

[Arete]

like as an example

@sulit

ATNoName (I still think the Apprentice openwolf thing was towny, but theres not much else the slot has done to move them out of here)

@sulit

arete (just not townier than everyone else, I feel like these reads frusterate people but I just haven’t seen anything from either arete or TL to move them above anyone higher)

I know I’m probably biased but I feel like if you haven’t seen anything from me that’s townier than ‘literal openwolving’ then … you are doing something wrong …

and I’d apply that to probably all of the people she has as below AppYBWName? like even before I factor in YBW/ATNo’s play, like:

@sulit

Marshal

Marshal’s been falling for me based just on how differently we see the game but I’ve found the moments of villageriness that I did see from her to be more villagery than ‘literal openwolving’

@sulit

Derps (I think Wind spew is towny and I townread him D1, but I trust Marshal’s judgement on the slot if he’s town and I think the flip would be helpful overall

I think ‘the dead wolf spent basically the second half of yesterday trying as hard as possible to kill her’ is townier than ‘they openwolved’

@sulit

minturies (same as above)

I thought his response to kat’s claim was super villagery, definitely moreso than, again, ‘literal openwolving’

now a lot of that can boil down to ‘sulit thinks the openwolving was townier than I do/sulit applies less weight to the relative lack of presence or content from YBW/ATNo’

but it’s not just that read

@sulit

Katze (confident chloe read)

gorta (everyone just seems confident he’s town so shrug )
Eli (also read leach if live later game look back at iso because i feel like some of the ways he interpreted posts were kind of weird like he wasn’t actually thinking through his reads? sulit bad at explain)

her 2/3/4 are all based around sheeping other people, 2 I can sort of understand if you start from the assumption that Chloe has a soulread, but 3 is semi-disputed and 4 is … even more disputed than 3? and also, that would suggest that she’s less confident in her second-strongest non-sheeping reason to clear someone than in three reads that are just sheeping, which seems weird to me?

I don’t know

maybe I’m overthinking it but the mindset behind this post doesn’t really make sense to me

[Mistyx]

i dont even get bold smh

this is discrimination

[Marshal]

I think arete is mildly misrepresenting apprentice’s posting

[Arete]

that is a true statement yes

[Marshal]

Why

[Arete]

because “I feel like if you haven’t seen anything from me that’s townier than ‘literal openwolving’ then … you are doing something wrong …” sounds better than “I feel like if you haven’t seen anything from me that’s townier than ‘openwolfing, then talking about how you wish you could have solved from spec chat’ then … you are doing something wrong …” and I think that even accounting for the fact that what App did was more nuanced than ‘literal openwolfing’ I’m more confident in all the people I quoted being town than I am in App being town

[Chloe]

i know this is super self-centered but am i really your highest townread only because of wind spew?

i’ll read/comment on everything else in a bit i need to stop opening the thread aa

[ATNoName]

@Arete

because “I feel like if you haven’t seen anything from me that’s townier than ‘literal openwolving’ then … you are doing something wrong …” sounds better than “I feel like if you haven’t seen anything from me that’s townier than ‘openwolfing, then talking about how you wish you could have solved from spec chat’ then … you are doing something wrong …” and I think that even accounting for the fact that what App did was more nuanced than ‘literal openwolfing’ I’m more confident in all the people I quoted being town than I am in App being town

Idk, representing a slot based on a gamethrowing villager is pretty not based.