Ritual Mafia 2 - Heretics and The Elementalist Win!

[Blizer]

Here is the thing:

Sarun claimed Blood mage and used Drain last night. Used on Baz, Sam and Marl. It does not count as a visit and he cannot be redirected. If he claimed anything else there, i would have deathtunneled.

You visited Sam, which was prevented because i used Pentilence. Claimed Exorcist.

While this does not confirm either of you as scum here, Sarun is has a more solid claim with the Blood mage here, as due to the flips of Marl and Baz, and Confirming Sam as town.

But, it also goes with your behaviour yesterday. D1 you voted Max for “Whiteknighting” Sam, even though he was joking, and then you do a mix of whiteknighting and buddying with Sam on his viewpoint of tratior saccing.

Sarun pushing Wazza was justified, as Wazza contradicted himself many times, and OMGUS`s both Alice and Blue yesterday.

So from overall behavior, Sarun is Scum hunting and has more motivation, while yours seems more defensive, and more about survival, along with previous points on your white knighting and Defense of Sam, your trying to make yourself look more towny.

[Alice]

@Blizer

Sarun claimed Blood mage and used Drain last night. Used on Baz, Sam and Marl. It does not count as a visit and he cannot be redirected. If he claimed anything else there, i would have deathtunneled.

@Blizer

Sarun pushing Wazza was justified, as Wazza contradicted himself many times, and OMGUS`s both Alice and Blue yesterday.

Off-topic, but the way everyone here alternates between the my names and pronouns here, as in male for Sarun and female for Alice, is kind of confusing and makes it look like you’re referring to two different people.

[Solic]

Oww, so you had zero reason to claim, good to know.

[Alice]

But yeah, Solic’s showing far too much of his scum AI to my tastes. I’d expect him to have deathtunneled another townie by now.

[Blizer]

@Solic

Oww, so you had zero reason to claim, good to know.

Yeahhhhh, i did jump the gun there going to admit that.

[Blizer]

I will say this though, if Clover flips Scum from this Sac, i will deathtunnel Alice, and if Clover is town, then i full on deathtunnel Solic.

[Alice]

I’m more certain on Solic being scum than Clover being town.

Though, if your theory on HTM is true then I don’t exactly see Clover flipping scum due to their votes.

[Margaret]

puts on tinfoil hat in shape of a die

How about everyone speaking is scum

[Alice]

@PoisonedSquid @Kirefitten @Sam17z

Actually, I have a better plan. Sacrifice me.

I don’t exactly see Clover flipping scum, but if he does and I’m ML’d over it then by d3 we’ll likely have 5 village vs 4 wolves and this’d put the gamestate in LyLo and it’d be too damn dangerous here for us.

Either way, my flip will give information here and chain mislynches won’t happen if I’m wrong again.

[Firekitten]

I actually refuse to sac you, it’s stupid to sac you as if you are scum you convert someone. Even though I highly doubt you are scum I’m not doing it,

[Firekitten]

If anything I would rather actually sac sam if we are that worried about clover flipping scum.

However solic gives a lot more information tbh and I also doubt clover flips scum.

[Solic]

@Alice

/confirm

Eh, not exactly a big fan of Wazza’s posts, tbh.

WazzaAzza:

Also it’s day 1, so accusing me of scum isn’t a very good play

WazzaAzza:

I don’t feel like we should lynch day 1, we know no classes

This wouldn’t be that out of place for a newbie to FM here if they’re used to turbo matches like ToL or ToS where the game is essentially 75%+ mechanics, but…

WazzaAzza:

Yeh I think we lynch Clover here.

For them to pull such a sudden 180 here does make me feel that there’s something off.

/vote Wazza

Because such a 180 would be so weird for someone who plays the first time? Disagree heavily. RVS be RVS, but this already seemed like true intent to lynch.

@Alice

Reminder that the distribution here is 12 Congregation, 3 Heretics, 1 Traitor. Wagon speed shouldn’t really be that big of a deal at the moment unless it’s something like a player being put to L-1 or L-2 in a few hours of notice.

“Wagon speed doesn’t mean anything”

@Alice

Also, the fact that nobody else is jumping on Wazza’s wagon despite the sheer amount of self-contradictions here made by them furthers my suspicions.

“Except when it furthers my mislynch.”

@Alice

So I’d probably put Clover as a likely townlean, tbh.

Aside from getting around 4/9 votes on him in roughly less than an hour of playtime I don’t really see him deviating that much from new player town AI and his posts seem to maintain his consistency in general, as in he still seems to be puzzled at how the RVS works rather than attempting to go with the flow here. I don’t exactly believe a new player like him would risk putting so much attention on themselves as scum, tbh.

@Alice

Also firekitten has the same AI for town and scum so you shouldn’t really trust firekitten’s town motivation it could easily be faked

Somewhat false here. FK ties himself way too hard with his faction members and I could easily notice he was Unseen in SFoL31 by the second day judging by his reactions to Celeste being wagoned. If there’s a member of the Heretics being wagoned here you can easily read FK by how his reactions progresses.

@Alice

I can’t exactly see a Solic/Sam17z scumteam here, to be honest. This is either a V/V or V/W dynamic as Solic is too close to Sam17z for both of them to be wolves.

Pocket/White knight everyone, but the mislynch target you have your eyes on.

[Alice]

@Firelitten

I actually refuse to sac you, it’s stupid to sac you as if you are scum you convert someone.

Thing is, I’m not. Even if I were why do you think I’m reconsidering the read on Clover due to Blizer putting me in a ride-or-die scenario?

If I’m wrong and end up sacrificing scum then that’d be enough for town to ML me and that’d be enough for our loss.

[Solic]

Oops I hit reply already, it’s in progress.

[Firekitten]

I still don’t want to sac you, I’m scared of you flipping scum and we potentially lose a lot if you are scum, I can’t actually trust that.

Im down to sac clover or sam however I refuse to sac you.

[Alice]

If you’re trying to make yourself look like a VI then forget about it. We have mechanical information that you’re a wolf in addition to our reads.

[Alice]

Sam’s an important class and should not be sacrificed. If I’m wrong on Clover then town loses here, that’s why I’m reconsidering my read.

[Firekitten]

wait how do we lose.

[Solic]

@Alice

If Solic/Sam17z is V/V, then Squid is likely village as well. I don’t necessarily see this statement coming from her if she’s a wolf as it’d make no sense, to be honest.

PoisonedSquid:

Of course I do, the possible slip from Sam doesn’t even remotely raise suspicions from Solic. If Sam flips scum, then it’s no doubt that Solic is on his scumteam

However, I don’t exactly like the level of confidence in her conditional statement here, so if Solic/Sam17z is V/W then it may be good for us to focus her.

@Alice

Start with the assumption that both Solic and Sam17z are village.

Assuming that is the case, then a hypothetical wolf!Squid would know that neither of them are in the same scum team with her and then her conditional here,

If Sam flips scum, then it’s no doubt that Solic is on his scumteam

Would be immediately false, ergo no reason for her to post the rest of the conditional statement.

In short. If Solic and Sam17z are both town, then Squid is also likely town. If either Solic or Sam17z flips scum, then the above premise is invalidated.

Squid is also getting a (conditional) townread.

@Alice

/accuse captain

evil kang confirmed

Newbie Forum of Lies 1 - The Blue Dragon and Fool win!

Oh I somehow got skipped to the end of thread didn’t see captain vote that person

/vote solic

Newbie Forum of Lies 1 - The Blue Dragon and Fool win!

Solic is bleeding so I don’t mind changing my vote either

/unvote solic
/vote firekitten

I doubt anyone gets lynched today anyway we have a lot of split

His votes in NFoL were far more wild flailing than 6d6 and how he’s playing here. Additionally, in SFoL33 he also death-tunnel M, Firekitten, and Mathblade nonstop as well. In FoL16 pre-reroll he was also more fluid on his accusations as we’ll see below.

Forum of Lies 16 - (16/16) Rerolling

/ Accuse nozbugs

Forum of Lies 16 - (16/16) Rerolling

Trials are 24 hours so I’m going to hammer

Unaccuse nuzbogs
Accuse Frostwolf

And this is before he got the tinfoil that I was the NK, which didn’t last long as the game was soon rerolled due to a mod error.

Marluxion:

It was more
“How is no one reading his actions as scummy?”

Because unfortunately his town-tell is sticking to obnoxious tinfoils. I’ll see how his view progress, but right now I am sadly townreading him for this shit.

Baz too damn. Everyone is getting townread, except Wazza!

But nooo guys, Sarun is legit hunting scum with 6/7 (I lost count) townreads.

I’m not going to count his fencesitter attitude on the whole Sam says lost wolfs should be sacced debacle as legit scumhunting.

[Blizer]

@Alice

We have mechanical information that you’re a wolf

Hes not mechanically confirmed scum here.

But he looks very scummy tbh.