Ritual Mafia IV -- Spectator Chat

That’s mostly NAI
I think Alice would actually pick up in activity near endgame (although I’m spitballing here since Occam’s razor)

It makes no sense for it to go on invests
And it’s infinitely less dangerous to hit a heal

Yeah, I think there’s basically no reason to doubt that sleep was used on Offensives, because there were like 6 Offensive claims in court + 0 outed Supports + 1 fake Social (hello Marshal) + 2 investigatives? One of which they evidently planned to murder anyway – so blocking the Offensives would do the most harm to the Congregation.

It is, but it makes her hard to read when she’s already hard to read. I just want her to pop into the thread at this point.

Also about today’s sacrifice.
Wazza was pushing hard to sacrifice Alice over Kat/Marshal.
While Marshal voted himself/kat, and others were left debating between those two.
Which in turn makes me think that pre-Ritual, Wazza + Alice are never scum?

I agree
Team is Katze/Alice/Apprentice atp
Marshal never pushed Katze seriously iirc

Marshal literally voted to ritual Kat while they were in the thunderdome if we are to believe his words. Arete commented on it too:
https://forum.imperium42.com/t/fm-ritual-mafia-iv-day-3-lynch-phase-10-16/81237/11574?u=anstreim

I’m suggesting Apprentice because a lot of how the game has handled them and their actions have led to mislynches

CFD off them for no reason
Their claim leads to a lynch on Amelia despite that slot not looking bad before
None of the people they cc’d were scum (can’t remember if this is correct)

I think Marshal was intentionally forcing thunderdome since they were near endgame and trying to get ritual away from blood mages

Aka distract then wack

Yes, but Apprentice’s slot has to be actually real. Look at the pressure from Marshal’s slot on Apprentice.
It makes some sense if he was a convert but he still voted them (I want to say twice?) at EoD when votes were really close.
Would a wolf really press their own so hard, so early too? I mean they could because Kyo’s sacrifice gave them a convert, but it just strikes me as needless risk.

Which EoD are you talking about?

I think Marshal voted App both D1 and D2

This is D2:
https://forum.imperium42.com/t/fm-ritual-mafia-iv-day-3-lynch-phase-10-16/81237/10433
This is Marshal forcing a peek on Apprentice:
https://forum.imperium42.com/t/fm-ritual-mafia-iv-day-3-lynch-phase-10-16/81237/5182

Marshal never seriously pushed Arete as anything other than traitor
They never actually went into what they thought was wrong with gamestate, instead focusing on oog stuff
So, they actually were supporting that gamestate by doing nothing knowingly

Towncred
I’m pretty solid on that since too little too late

Assuming convert I’d say no
Honestly, it’s be a pretty good idea to ISO that slot

Wait
Marshal is starting scum
They did all of that for towncred

Alice/Drybones/Katze

I’m actually really torn on Arete because from purely mechanical/social perspective from the last two days and on a macro level in general, they scream scum.
But read their past messages and they seem to be genuinely remorseful/disappointed? It could be theatrics but their responses feel genuine. But I mean, we have concluded that Arete is never starting group scum regardless so.

Not a lot of towncred since they were actually counterwagoning Apprentice over Amelia who was getting lynched and flipped town in the end? Iirc most were against Apprentice lynch that day (I still don’t fully understand why).

It looks better for them since they supported the counter wagon to a villager
Low risk, high reward
Especially if Apprentice is town