this is all hypothetical. I’m ignoring this. This outlines why i as wolf might swap the marl read
I’ll address this because this is tangible stuff that I can.
This still misrepresents me. because my entire marl read was “this man is very likely a villager and lock villager if crich is mafia”. I say this EoD1.
I come in with him at “very likely a villager”
I never, never, never never never said or hinted at during EoD1 that crich flipping town made marl look wolfier in my eyes. a crich town flip doesn’t change my marl read. That was very clear.
So no, i’m not going to accept being wolfread off of me not changing my marl v read off of a crich village flip. Because it was very clear it was never changing off of a crich village flip.
I can tell i’m digging myself a hole and could tell this long long ago
but i simply do not care
because I still think that he’s full of it and i’ve had to push him so hard and so long for 1 paragraph of non hypothetical evidence, which turns out to be easily refutable by one of my posts
the last sentance disproves that entire thing. He is straight up v no matter what. lock lock lock clear if and only if crich is wolf. Crich was not wolf. therefore straight up v.
And the inclusion of the hypothetical as evidence against me still sits very very wrong with me. Hypotheticals are not evidence and yet they are being weaponized against me along with what are realistically valid points to make me look worse.
“This marl read is wolfy” is fine, “and she would do it because of x/y/z, which makes sense” is also fine, but then using that to fucking say it makes me worse?
Come on people
for christ’s sake
this is not good faith
my guy I am not going down
I have nothing else to do today besides eat and drink
I will stay here until is is so blatantly clear why vulgard’s weaponization of this bullshit is bad faith, and why I am the single most obvious villager this game.
You can only stop me by hammering but I will be back in full force the next day
Will anyone listen to me if I do this? Explain in even greater detail and compile my points as to why I object so strongly to vulgard’s framing of this.
You do realize that I have actively tanked my thread position from a relatively good if still PoE one to one where everyone hates me for this right
I didn’t have to do this
it’s frustating to even have to but I am
because at this point I care very deeply about proving why he is full of it. I do not care if it takes 500 posts and literally all of my towncred to accomplish this
I doubt it will be read because you guys all barely play forum mafia anyways
vulgard is at least playing the game but if the masses are just going to go ‘yeah wel ur kinda wolfy lolz’ it’s frustrating
If you’re not going to match my effort at least read my responses. I’m genuinely sick of such a low standard of play.
I’m going to continue compiling why vulgard’s handling of my posts is in bad faith. Read it or not, i’ve stopped caring, but you cannot say I did not try
And that’s a problem, because you had been thinking their argument was V/W.
Marshal is not evaluating my alignment. She is arguing about the nature of my read and getting worked up over how I am “misrepresenting her,” but she isn’t actually saying anything about me.
This is purely performative. Don’t get distracted.
it’s been a long time coming but here’s PKR
i wrote some of these down a while ago but now i’ve collated them into something, uh, readable
this post immediately looks terrible but i can’t really explain why other than how… placatory it feels
PKR did not feel a need to explain why chloe’s read was wrong or defend himself
instead it feels more like the dismissive post a wolf would pull when they are being misread
this post implies that the 3 people voting him are all town and it seems odd how he forgot to consider the possibility that one of them is just a wolf
and it’s clear from this post (and also by how early this was in the game anyway) that PKR was not sure all the people voting him were town
if he was not sure all of them were town, then it seems odd to assume they are all just voting incorrectly
this post looks like PKR is just saying words for the sake of saying words
it does not accomplish anything and instead feels like a wolf flailingly trying to justify a prior read that really had no basis
the progression on eli is questionable
it goes from weirdchamp push on him so slight scumlean to town to scumlean with the last transition seemingly having no reason
as hippo points out all of his posts at this point have been mech stuff or about how everyone is bad at reading him, instead of actually giving many reads
which makes me think PKR’s read post was created as a response to this and thus he felt forced to give a scumlean to appear as though he’s contributing something rather than his thoughts actually being genuine – which would explain why he want back to scumleaning eli without giving a reason
these posts were in response to me asking why he changed his read on eli
alone these actually look pretty villagery because it’s consistent
but when you remember he said he TR’ed eli earlier because of his weird push, all of a sudden this progression begins to make little sense
i have said this several times already but this entire post is fake
PKR did not answer me when i asked what made him think chloe seemed cautious and why she’d be more confident as mafia when in reality she’s probably more confident as town since she has many more towngames (and ftr, he still hasn’t answered this part of the question, but i’ll include his answer to the first part later)
PKR looks like he’s trying to shut down the thunderdome in bad faith by leveling marl’s push to paranoia about chloe being a good player… despite marl’s push having nothing to do with this
wolf PKR would want to shut down the thunderdome because the current narrative was that there is probably a wolf in marl and chloe, so if chloe was killed yesterday then marl would have likely died today
this progression makes sense and is vaguely villagery
he states his concern that mafia aren’t voting (on the wagons, or at all?) and then most of his scumleans are people that aren’t voting
this post reeks of credgrabby “i told you so” posting wolves do when they know a villager is going to flip and on top of that the second part looks like an attempt to assure vulgard that he’s correct in assuming a wolf will probably flip today, so as not to change the wagons
this isn’t the first time PKR has mentioned killing the newer players, but i can’t help but feel like it seemingly came from nowhere
it went from someone asking why his vote was still on bluelance after the RVS to all of a sudden PKR is on some crusade against the new players
it feels forced
i forgot to ask him about this at the time but why is he voting someone else other than his top scum, especially when he’s much more likely to be able to get eli to flip today than bluelance? it seems like he isn’t actually pushing to kill a wolf here, rather just avoid voting in the thunderdome
i think this post is villagery because it shows he’s aware that it doesn’t make sense how badly i’m pushing him compared to how long it’s taken me to case him
which i don’t think is an angle he’s likely to take as a wolf
–except for the bolded where he unfortunately regresses his read on me to hedge saying that it could go either way
villagery probing of lol to explain the post about himself
the problem is lol never actually answered
if PKR is a villager and lol is a wolf, i think lol would have been more likely to make sure he actually answered PKR
so don’t mind me preflipping pkr and saying these two are w/w
here’s PKR’s explanation of that read from a while ago
i don’t have too much to say other than it isn’t great and like most of his reads i am having difficuly following the thought process
i’ll let you decide if this is wolfy for PKR in particular but
there reaches a point where having no awareness in the game cannot be excused (basically TWTBAW does not work)
god damn it as soon as i say that this one actually looks towny
i don’t know if pkr would make this shit up as a wolf about marl slipping
i’m not gonna bother to include of all pkr’s retrospective reads, you can look for yourself and i really don’t have much to say about most of them
except for this
marl was definitely not treating PKR in a pure way
the towniest thing in this ISO is this explanation of a post he sent on day 1 where he said he would find a pelt during the night
this was to fakeclaim tracker
problem is hippo said he does this as wolf a lot so this may be nullified
this post is basically saying some of the people pushing marl are wolves
but the entire game is pushing marl
so it is saying that people in the game are mafia
do i need to explain why this is a bad take
especially since he didn’t even name anyone specifically
(oh no)
asking why he’s not being wagoned instead of the mechanically confirmed wolf
there is no reason for a villager to do this
there is a reason to do this as a wolf if marl isn’t goon
if he’s genuinely trying to distract town from marl and marl flips anything other than goon then their partner equity rises even more
tbf i don’t think this is as bad as i thought it was before i made this but PKR really is quite underwhelming
most of his reads he only gave when he was prompted to do so and a lot of them have no reasoning or weird progression, and a lot of his ISO is filler mech talk or complaints
oh also he’s been lurking in the thread and shows up every time i mention him (idk if this is AI but i still wanted to mention it)
kill this tomorrow or d4 if lol or someone starts openwolfing idk
