Rwby fm - wolves win! at least it wasnt a ******* scumstomp

[Mistyx]

sir that’s a federal crime

[Mistyx]

hey night can you answer my question

[Atlas]

Its not a crime if you don’t get caught

[Marshal]

i was gonna say that
mindmeld

[Mistyx]

if you dont want to get caught maybe dont post about it in a public forum

[Atlas]

I’m two steps ahead of the government at all times

[Mistyx]

anyway i think im about good for the day

@Aelin vc pls?

[Nightingale]

not really no

[Mistyx]

alright

[min]

I have nothing else 2 say rn

[astand]

Vote Count

Accused	Voters	Number
Marluxion	min, EliThePsycho, Vulgard, Hippoyeetus, Atlas, Marluxion, Marshal	7/8
Ami	Nightingale	1/8
Marshal	ArcticXI	1/8
PokemonKidRyan	SirDerpsAlot	1/8
lol	Mistyx	1/8
Not voting	Ami, PokemonKidRyan, lol	3

[EliThePsycho]

lets go
hammer
i dare you

[Mistyx]

okay

/vote Marl @Aelin

goodnight gays and gamers

[Marshal]

marl v

[Marluxion]

Yakuza OST - Baka Mitai (ばかみたい) Kiryu full version

[Atlas]

@Aelin We just killed marlux

[astand]

Vote Count

Accused	Voters	Number
Marluxion	min, EliThePsycho, Vulgard, Hippoyeetus, Atlas, Marluxion, Marshal, Mistyx	8/8
Ami	Nightingale	1/8
Marshal	ArcticXI	1/8
PokemonKidRyan	SirDerpsAlot	1/8
Not voting	Ami, PokemonKidRyan, lol	3

[Aelin]

As the group began to circle around, someone made a shocking declaration. “It feels like we’re being played… and I think I might know who is playing us. It’s…” They made a slow, decisive movement. “It’s you.” All eyes shifted towards one of the most outspoken members of the group, one who they all felt they could trust.

“Me?” They asked, seemingly confused. “You think I killed them?”

“I didn’t say that, you did.”

The boy chuckled slightly. “Freudian slip… Oh well. Yeah, I did it. What are you going to do, suffocate me between your-” The blow was quick to the back of his neck, an awful snapping sound filling the room alongside the sound of shattering glass.

Rather than the visage of their friend, an entirely different person laid on the ground, unmoving, unbreathing.

“Well then… I think I’m starting to get a handle on this. They’re disguised as our friends!”

“But… then… where are our real friends?” Nobody had a good answer for this. With mixed feelings on the results of the day, and the action they had just witnessed, the group readied for bed, hoping that they would wake up the next morning, and not to a dead body.

Marluxion has been executed!
They were…

Mercury Black

Mafia Goon

You’re the son of a successful assassin. Or, at least, you were, right up until you killed him. The ultimate test of any assassin - killing their teacher. Sure, he may have stolen your Semblance, but you don’t need it anyway. Your mechanical legs, fighting skill, and teachings have proven to make you more than capable in a fight, holding your own against even the likes of Pyrrha Nikos and Yang Xiao Long.

You have no ability other than your voice and your vote.

Reach parity with the Hunters and Huntresses.

Night 2 begins and will end at 2021-06-04T16:00:00Z.

[Aelin]

The morning comes, bearing more bad news. Once again, on the floor, you see the body of one of your friends. A few certain members of the room choke up, tears welling in their eyes for their fallen comrade. A few others use it as motivation to get stronger.

Nightingale has died in the night.
They were…

Ilia Amitola

Town Two-Shot Neighborizer

A chameleon Faunus, your heritage makes you brilliant at stealth missions and blending in. Despite your… less than moral actions, all you have ever wanted is the best for your people… and maybe the love of a certain Faunus.

Town 2-Shot Neighborizer - Each night, up to two times , you may add a single player to a neighborhood chat. This chat will be active only at night.

Defeat all members of the informed minority.

With 12 people alive, majority is 7. Day 3 starts, and will end at 2021-06-06T16:00:00Z

[Marshal]

vulgard more like cute nya

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uwu
alright so yellows posts really don’t do it for me, nothing either way, getting that out of the way

vul’s posting early is… it’s alright. The marl read is kinda weird but I had the same one so I can’t really count off for that.

Vul does a thing where he’ll hardpush on someone and bury their ass and then suddenly turn it around into a townread

@Vulgard

/vote BlueLance @Aelin

I don’t really care about the attitude he’s presented about voting/making reads. I care more about the completely nonchalant demeanor. “I’m not gonna do anything lmao, suffer I guess.”

Gives him an ez excuse not to do anything and doesn’t bring him closer to winning the game if town.

@Vulgard

Would you rather have me keep my vote on you instead?

@Vulgard

Nah I do think it’s a wolf using it an excuse not to do anything. I’d expect town to at least be interested in what’s going on but he gave this excuse and did nothing afterward. The fact people are townreading him for this proves he has no reason to do anything about it.

@Vulgard

You’re really trying hard to give people excuses to not play the game they signed up for, aren’t you?

I overally actually really like this push, especially the last post. I’d honestly say it itself is straight up unpartnered with bluelance.

@Vulgard

@BlueLance

As for me though, I am VT all the way! I have a vote, and can type. No clue if flavor text actually means anything so no point posting it XD

Missed the VT claim, he’s just town.

still find this cringe tho. I think the flip around makes little sense cuz it’s honestly not that great of a look and it feels like he wanted to swap over because I’m really not sure how exactly the vt claim turns a decently confident wolfread into ‘straight up town’. I could see it feeling pure, I personally disagree, but i have no idea how that kind of post shifts his confidence so much.

@Vulgard

@Marshal

I think @Vulgard is giving faaaaaaaar too much credit to Derps here

I do not like how you’ve phrased the read. I know what it is. “Derps isn’t posting as much as he would as wolf”. And like… not really? I’ve played the most with derps and he’s very capable of not giving a shit as either alignment, especially if his partners are people he doesn’t have good chemistry with. His content outside of the postnumber is nowhere near out of any range.

Marl’s read is 10x more pepega but you listen to logic and reasoning so im going to push you on this read

That’s not the read. It’s also a bit complicated to explain, and I don’t even believe in it that strongly. If I believed in it strongly, I’d put the read on lock and not look back.

stuff like this annoys me. doesn’t matter for alignment rlly but it’s annoying asf.

His backing out of the crich read is ehhhhh?? mehhhh. I’m not going to count off for the flip around, I could see v reading crich for AtE. I’m not going to count off for the appel read, the post did suck. Not a fan of how he simultaniously set crich up as a villager while doing nothing to save him and also made appel look bad in light of a crich v flip.

Overall a lot of his reads are p good. Like as in the thought processes are fine. Nothing pops out to me a large degree, a lot of his play is realtime-focused and there’s usually a specific direction or idea being boosted with his posts so it’s not really out of the realm of mafia but I think he deserves credit for the solving on his posts cuz it’s not really noteworthy to comment on the posts that just say a statement but don’t seem overly ai, but he has a decent number of relatively nuanced takes and I haven’t seen him take it this far as wolf iirc.

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now we get into the fun partze. The push on me. I’m going to try to be unbiased as I can, I’ve cooled off but I was pissed in the moment and rereading some of this is making me retroactively annoyed at his arguments. Whatever.

The posts on me leading up to it are whatever, it’s decentish solving stuff.

@Vulgard

This evaluation of the dome feels genuine. The reason it feels genuine is that she’s exploring every possibility in a way that makes sense and it doesn’t read like she’s trying to make the thread believe something we shouldn’t. She could’ve tried to spin the dome as V/V, but she didn’t - instead, she expresses doubt about it being V/V, and the way she talks about the V/V option reads like an afterthought / “I don’t want to talk about it” stuff. I think a wolf has a thought in their mind that goes like “I may want to clear my partner, because they’re digging a hole under themselves with this push.” And Marshal could easily get away with doing that, but chose not to.

“Wolves can bus!” This isn’t bussing. If Marshal were bussing, she’d just commit right there. Putting Marl in a PoE of two people, and planning to misyeet Chloe before killing him, doesn’t give Marshal much credit. Marshal talks about Marl being V in this post, and implies she’s V reading Marl over Chloe. That’s leading into a Chloe misyeet, and then Marshal has to either walk back the V/W read or bus Marl. She gets no credit for Marl, because she flipped Chloe first. I suppose you could give her towncred for creating that PoE in the first place, but I think the right play for wolf!Marshal here would be to just push one without creating a V/W dichotomy.

The way Marshal did it, Chloe gets cleared if Marshal busses Marl on day 1 - and that’s a free clear you’re giving to someone who’s a PoE villager at the time. For no reason other than your funky PoE wolfplay. And if Chloe gets misyeeted day 1, Marshal is forced to bus Marl day 2, unless she’s willing to sacrifice her position by defending a goon. Again, there’s no need for Marshal to lock herself into that agenda as a wolf, because this agenda always kills a wolf partner in a world where the village doesn’t suck and let Marshal get away with flipping her read. Such an agenda doesn’t need to be pushed by w!Marshal, especially not this early into day 1. It’s not even EoD. It’s that simple.

This is before he goes ‘wait marshal wolf ’ This paragraph feels structured in a way that makes me look bad in the next post. It feels like it’s setting up the natural progression and setting up a shade. It’s reading in quite a bit to something that probably doesn’t warrant a ton of reading in to, me saying marl/chloe was v/w (which I also think he interpereted dead wrong, I said straight up a few posts after saying they were v/w that the ‘thunderdome’ didn’t actually mean much for me and I did it just to get eyes on marl and chloe, yet he acts like I was like ‘marl is def wolfing if chloe is v’ which isn’t true). Either way the sentances

And if Chloe gets misyeeted day 1, Marshal is forced to bus Marl day 2, unless she’s willing to sacrifice her position by defending a goon. Again, there’s no need for Marshal to lock herself into that agenda as a wolf, because this agenda always kills a wolf partner in a world where the village doesn’t suck and let Marshal get away with flipping her read.

especially feel cringe, ‘village sucks if they let marshal get away with flipping her read’ is lol. It’s not theoretically impossible that he missed my SoD v reading of marl so i’m not going to act like this post is specifically wolfy but I think it does too good of a job transitioning into a wolfcase/burial of me.

@Vulgard

@Marshal

up lock true. If that has not happened, then he’s still likely a villager. If he’s wolf he domed a v chloe and got every single eye on him and her. I’ve never seen marl get even nearly that ballsy as wolf. His SDAL push is very villagery. He’s not lock, if he ever stops being a total gamer then he’s not lock v but he’s playing the exact same way he was in champs game 1 that made him a blindingly obvious villager there.

@Marshal

thats not in any way wolfy marl get yo head outta yo ass

@Marshal

Very Likely Townze:

Marl

???

I take that back. Marshal is doing the exact thing I’d expect from a wolf trying to somehow townread her partner despite creating a V/W read between said partner and a flipped villager on day 1 (and continuing to insist on it for the majority of day 1).

@Marshal

i told you guys that i was mafia and you guys all thought i was joking lol

this comes right after, we know the drill. Him including that last quote is full on slimey, it adds nothing and is included absolutely to be like ‘yo marshal made a post indicating they were mafia, and here are a bunch of her posts that i think are wolfy, marshal is mafia memeing on us in thread’. Like cmon. Hella cringeze.

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Im not gonna go through his individual push on me for much besides for 1 thing, we all know the story unless you were smart and skipped it. Either way he says ‘marshal read flip is wolfy’, I think his framing of it is unfair beacause he crafts a hypothetical narrative of why I as mafia flip my read on marl and then uses that to push me, which I object to because hypotheticals can only be used to confirm or deny the possibility of something, but he uses his hypothetical as evidence that I am mafia. I made a lot of posts about it earlier, read that if you want more.

Either way we go back and forth yadda yadda yeet.

@Vulgard

Marshal is town.

@Vulgard

You’re not going to believe the explanation I have for this, but I re-read the posts I took issue with and noticed a… problem with my argument.

@Vulgard

This entire time, I thought you wrote a post on day 2 outright saying Marl is your top town. You… never did.

I’m surprised you didn’t bring that up. You called Marl “likely” town, I think there was a probably in there as well, but you never said Marl was top town. And with that, my argument that your read on him solidified as V overnight doesn’t hold water whatsoever. If anything, it stayed the same.

I think I must’ve been really tired and imagined a post in your ISO that was never there. I’m sorry.

I’m rlly not sure i buy this tho looking back on it.

for a few reasons

@Marshal

This still misrepresents me. because my entire marl read was “this man is very likely a villager and lock villager if crich is mafia”. I say this EoD1.

I come in with him at “very likely a villager”

I never, never, never never never said or hinted at during EoD1 that crich flipping town made marl look wolfier in my eyes. a crich town flip doesn’t change my marl read. That was very clear.

I outright said that the marl v read never solidified overnight and that it remained more or less the same overnight, and pointed it out very emphatically.

Which makes me not really believe the ‘I was wolfreading marshal for solidiying the marl v read’, because every argument I saw from him was based on the idea that my read on marl did not change and I never mentioned if or how the Crich flip changed my read. I could be off base on what he meant, if someone is reading this and wants to give their idea on this specific point please enlighten me.

@Vulgard

What isn’t fine is that CRich’s V flip doesn’t even seem to be a factor here. Marshal’s stance at EoD1 was “okay, I think Marl might be a villager even if CRich flips town, and if CRich flips wolf he’s lock clear.” Marshal’s stance on day 2 is that Marl is top town. It doesn’t follow. Marl’s thunderdome target being V should warrant more scrutiny on Marl, not less. Marshal gaining more confidence in her V read on Marl after originally thinking Marl and Chloe were V/W does not make sense. I know she changed her Marl read at EoD1, but the read was still there. You can’t just townread someone harder after it’s revealed they argued with a villager.

(im aware he says this right before but it doesn’t change that my post specifically mentioned that my read didn’t change)

Also I’m not super convinced that his case doesn’t hold water for himself even if I didn’t have marl as ‘top town’ and just as ‘very likely town’.

He goes on quite a bit about how my EoD1 and SoD2 read on marl is wolfy and about how the timing is convenient and how if we were hypothetically w/w, that my backing out of the read makes perfect sense to avoid killing marl. That… still applies regardless of how strong my marl read is. It doesn’t quite add up.

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I’ve looked over the pkr read for a bit, realistically I think it can go either way and I don’t really think it’s specifically partnered/unpartnered, I think it can come from wolf vul regardless of pkrs alignment as an attempt to grab towncred or save a partner if he thinks pkr dying is gonna make things a lot harder. It could come from village vul as well, I disagree with the premise of the defense but I can see how he gets there. Not a ton to say but wanted to at least note it here.

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IF UR NOT GONNA READ THE REST (I"D KIND OF LIKE IF YOU DID BUT U DONT HAVE TO), READ THIS

Im going to step back from the walls and outline my vul stuff, without the quotes, more expanded stuff is above.

• On a macro level vulgard’s posting is alright, i’d even say his posts are good. Between the issues I have with his posts is decent chunks of solving and cases and PoEing. I think his working through the game is generally how I think town!vul would do it? I can’t recall him ever doing this much solving as wolf but the way he’s conducting his reads doesn’t feel like it’s outside of his wolfrange.

• I didn’t like how he reversed the crich read yet did nothing to really defend crich, and at the same time pushed appel for her (admittedly not great) crich vote. I’m not going to really say that the timing makes it look worse even if i’ve implied it, realistically that would be unfair because crich got ATE-y and appel made that post at around the same time. I still disliked how he really kind of bent the EoD narrative without trying to change the outcome

• Flipflopping on the bluelance read and me read feels weird, even if I see his reasoning for both. The bluelance read starts out as him wolfreading bluelance’s excuse not to really play, but immediately swaps to a p confident v read just on the VT claim. I can see v-reading the VT claim to some degree but I really doubt that post could be villagery enough to change his mind. As far as the me read, I don’t particularly buy that him mis-understanding my SoD2 confidence on the marl read completely changes the read, because everything he said about me swapping the read and not publicly considering crich’s flip into my marl read still applies (even if I think it’s incorrect).

Im gonna be honest I can’t confidently say what his alignment is atm, sort of sucks spending my thursday night doing this and not like having a gamesolve but i’m glad to be able to work through my thoughts.

@Vulgard (as if you aren’t going to be getting 50000 notifications from these quotes) do you mind addressing the concerns outlined above?

Im not at vul lock wolf and want to give him time to make straight up good postingsz today and to address my concerns

if he is village and i identify him as such I think this game is a straight up dub.

also him and bluelance are never w/w because “You’re really trying hard to give people excuses to not play the game they signed up for, aren’t you?” is straight up never how a wolf talks about their newbie partner. Can explain this more if ppl want.