Rwby fm - wolves win! at least it wasnt a ******* scumstomp

[Marshal]

[Arete]

hm

I think I know how to get Marshal to take her vote off Blizer

[Arete]

I think the team is Marshal/Vulgard/Derps

[Arete]

(uh the joke was that I expected Marshal to pivot to me for saying that)

[Arete]

@Blizer

I tried to talk and argue with Arctic in regards to PKR, trying to convince him that PKR is town, and again, was misyeet bait, arguing how PKR usually acts within these games and how his personality/mindset usually makes himeasy misyeet bait because of it. I believe after a bit, and with other slots not giving a shit and refusing to make re-evals, I had that realization that town is probably losing this game, becuase they are not trying to re-eval slots outside of the PoE or they were not active enough to interact with. I said to PKR “I do not think I can save your slot” because of this realization, I think thats where my Nihilistic view on this game really kinda started to form honestly, Knowing that a towny was about to get mis yeeted.

@Mistyx

I think this is villagery in-context

what do you think

[Blizer]

Okay, i had shit that was cancelled for tonight, so i can make a follow up post here

also

/unvote

just dont want the quickhammer and shit before im done with my thought process post.

[Mistyx]

not really cuz like

i read his iso and i did not see him doing that

[Arete]

@Vulgard

Who are my teammates?

I know the question sounds like a meme, but please take it seriously.

when I first saw this question my reaction was ‘I just took away everyone’s license to make preflip reads, I’m not about to make one now’ but now I think Marshal and Derps are both plausible

nothing you and Marshal have done is actually outside the range of W/W particularly since your argument didn’t go anywhere or involve any attempts to solve other slots, and she’s reluctant to wolfread you for reasons that are unclear to me (later she calls you the villageriest person in the PoE for no clear reason)

and you pushing Derps as associated with Blizer but not pushing him independently is a super common way of distancing in V!Blizer worlds, it lets you shade your partner but if Blizer flips V (again this is in V!Blizer worlds) it’s easy for you to be like ‘oops, I guess he wasn’t W/W with Blizer, haha!’

[Arete]

(Marshal also had a post about Derps that’s an extremely typical W/W interaction but that’s super preflippy and I already took away everyone’s preflip license)

[Arete]

@Marshal

and tbqh vulgard’s posts are straight up villagerier than the rest of the PoE
I dislike ~all of the pushes he’s made this game if i’m going to be honest but I do think his posts are good

@Marshal

can you explain this take

I am Not Seeing It and I feel like historically we’ve usually had a pretty similar view of Vul? (e.g. in FoL 26 where we collectively dunked on him)

[Arete]

you trying to shade me for mentioning your wolfclaiming is kind of because I never tried to push or shade you for it

I guess I might have been unclear about that?? but I was deliberately trying not to use it to shade you

[Marshal]

I thought that his solving was overall pretty methodical

his approach this game seems to be looking at things from multiple angles and then deciding if they make sense
there were a couple of posts where he lined things out and then tackled reads in a way I liked quite a bit

i can quote if u want ig

[Arete]

@Marshal

I thought that his solving was overall pretty methodical

this is not remotely outside of his range to fake

@Marshal

i can quote if u want ig

that would be great

[Marshal]

i didn’t say you pushed or shaded me for it

but i’m saying I thought the questioning of it wasn’t great because I see very little that could be gotten out of it that’s AI and I feel like you know that

[Arete]

I thought you might give me an AI explanation

e.g. some variations of ‘I thought it would be funny’ could be AI in either direction

instead you just gave me more wolfclaiming

[Arete]

@Marshal

a couple times this game you’ve been like ‘if you want to vote X out, vote me out first instead, and then treat my read on them like a greencheck’

I legitimately can’t remember you ever doing it as a villager + think it’s bad from a village perspective but I could be forgetting about something

can you think of any times when you’ve done that as V

[EliThePsycho]

can i legally hammer

[Arete]

Blizer unvoted so no

also I would like you to not

[Marshal]

@Vulgard

…Why is Mist not mafia doing PR cover?
And why is CRich ruining Mistyx’s PR cover in these posts? If he thinks Mistyx is doing PR cover, he should just… let her PR cover if he townreads her. Literally nobody asked for him to outright give the wolves the info that “Mistyx is doing PR cover, don’t kill her at night.”

He’s talking as if he wants to sound useful without actually solving alignments. The way he reached the conclusion “Mistyx is town” is bizarre because he specifically calls her VT fakeclaiming, and probably not another PR. This looks like the mindset of a PR hunter more than anything else.

@Vulgard

Pretty decent interactions with Marl in that Eli iso. Eli voices disagreement over what Marl’s doing in the thread throughout day 1. It’s not much if he does it once or twice, but it adds up.

@EliThePsycho

my head is at:

lol = scum
what in the diddly darn tarnation is vul doing
min and artic ez clap town
crich = scum
appel was in the game?
and
i feel like i had one other scumread but idk where it went
might’ve been wazza

His reads feel very consensus. No real progression on lol, his CRich scumread reasoning is meh (he’s scumreading CRich for insulting other players, which isn’t really something only wolves do). Scumread on Wazza is very non-consensus, though.

He looks like he actually believes his reads in this game, given his voting patterns. Which is an okay look. The reads he does have progression on also retain some level of consistency (he votes his scumreads. Yes, we are lowering ourselves to this level).

@EliThePsycho

can’t wait to get CFD’d to

I don’t think someone with a self-preservation instinct (more prominent in mafia members) posts this around EoD. Eli may have broken his wolf meta, but he’s never been the type of wolf to suggest yeeting him when he’s not the yeet.

@EliThePsycho

@Mistyx shoot PKR

Him coming back to this read after a long time of not talking about it feels villagery. Wolf Eli wouldn’t feel that bouncing to a super early read here is okay, because it would make him look wolfy for randomly bringing it up.

Perhaps towniest of all. I don’t think wolf!Eli’s thought at EoD, when there’s a villa!CRich lined up to be yeeted, is “let’s convince the vig to shoot a townie (PKR would probably be a townie in this world, lol) and if Mistyx listens to me I look terrible for suggesting it.”

Thinking Eli is somewhat comfortably town this game.

@Vulgard

This evaluation of the dome feels genuine. The reason it feels genuine is that she’s exploring every possibility in a way that makes sense and it doesn’t read like she’s trying to make the thread believe something we shouldn’t. She could’ve tried to spin the dome as V/V, but she didn’t - instead, she expresses doubt about it being V/V, and the way she talks about the V/V option reads like an afterthought / “I don’t want to talk about it” stuff. I think a wolf has a thought in their mind that goes like “I may want to clear my partner, because they’re digging a hole under themselves with this push.” And Marshal could easily get away with doing that, but chose not to.

“Wolves can bus!” This isn’t bussing. If Marshal were bussing, she’d just commit right there. Putting Marl in a PoE of two people, and planning to misyeet Chloe before killing him, doesn’t give Marshal much credit. Marshal talks about Marl being V in this post, and implies she’s V reading Marl over Chloe. That’s leading into a Chloe misyeet, and then Marshal has to either walk back the V/W read or bus Marl. She gets no credit for Marl, because she flipped Chloe first. I suppose you could give her towncred for creating that PoE in the first place, but I think the right play for wolf!Marshal here would be to just push one without creating a V/W dichotomy.

The way Marshal did it, Chloe gets cleared if Marshal busses Marl on day 1 - and that’s a free clear you’re giving to someone who’s a PoE villager at the time. For no reason other than your funky PoE wolfplay. And if Chloe gets misyeeted day 1, Marshal is forced to bus Marl day 2, unless she’s willing to sacrifice her position by defending a goon. Again, there’s no need for Marshal to lock herself into that agenda as a wolf, because this agenda always kills a wolf partner in a world where the village doesn’t suck and let Marshal get away with flipping her read. Such an agenda doesn’t need to be pushed by w!Marshal, especially not this early into day 1. It’s not even EoD. It’s that simple.

@Vulgard

Also, about Ami’s conduct; I struggle to believe a villager replaces in before EoD and places an immediate vote with no context on one of the top wagons, who is also likely V. If you’re a villager, you care about who gets yeeted, because you want to vote wolves. As wolf, you have fewer reasons to give a damn unless your partner’s on the block.

Ami defaulting to a selfvote and then voting a random top wagon with no explanation is wolfy, because it shows no real solving thought process behind the vote. The argument “Ami would want to be voting someone regardless of alignment” is flawed, because town!Ami would want to be voting a wolf, and there is no way Ami had a real scumread on Eli so soon after replacing in. Ami doesn’t even try to prove they have a real read there.

Town!Ami would also be more likely to just follow the consensus, considering they have no time to read the game. Ami not voting CRich is actually bad in this context, because it looks like Ami wanted to vote against consensus on purpose. And prioritizing making your vote look spicier over voting a wolf (or at least, the person the village thinks is a wolf / is policy yeeting / whatever) is a wolf mindset. It’s not like Ami has a real scumread on Eli, there is simply no way.

@Vulgard

Hippo is straight up town. Wolf!Hippo wants to avoid suspicion, not draw suspicion. What he did at EoD was outright state he’s sheeping Arctic, and offer to kill PKR with his vote if Arctic says so. Regardless of Arctic’s alignment, this isn’t something wolf!Hippo does. Wolf!Hippo knows PKR flips village and does not offer to kill him at EoD knowing that. He would know it will make him look bad for sheeping an incorrect case on a villager. Especially when lol is the other option and his alignment is unknown. In that context, Hippo’s vote looks like he went out of his way to kill a villager over a potential wolf. Wolf Hippo would not put himself in that position out of simple fear of getting caught.

These all fit the mold of things I like

it’s not just that the posts are long, but the way he works through a lot of these (hippo read and me read exemplify this best) feels like a villagery way of tackling it. It’s a complicated type of mindset to fake as far as working things through every angle.

It’s not, like, out of the question, I think he can still very well be mafia because I do think a lot of these thngs are fakeable, just that it’s a lot of stuff that I consider pretty villagery and not super easy to fake

[EliThePsycho]

ok but i want to hammer so if you’re gonna leave them at L-1 to give me the temptation