ok im like 1/2 way through reading this is eli-related stuff
im not gonna keep quoting, i’ve read through the rest and nothing, like, rules out w/w. There are a few things that could point to eligard, the above quoted 2 posts seem kinda bad? It’s painting it as “Blizer/Derps/Eli” or “[3 villagers if vul is wolf]”, and to kill blizer and then go for deepwolves in the other one if he flips v.
I still lean v on vul? He’s been, like, wildly wrong on a lot but it doesn’t seem phrased at all in a powerwolfy way. It’s, like, all put down in a logical way and I don’t think the logic he lays out is specificlaly manipulated to push a wolf agenda even if his reads are wrong. A lot of what he posts leaves his ideas open to questioning and interperetation which is a subtlety I wouldn’t expect a wolf to take? If you’re powerwolfing you probably go for the exact opposite
“I think vul pushing the idea that ami’s read on eli isn’t good in the same way that atlas feels like wolves chainsawing a partner, they’re probably all w/w/w”
@Vulgard here are the two that have been bugging me the most (or, like, answer my internal questions the best, i’m leaving why im asking these intentionally vague)
Can you go through every reason you have to think that my slot is town, even if it’s stupid internal stuff that you’d be embarassed to put in thread. It can be as stupid as you want (as long as it’s not, like, blatant angleshooting), I just want honesty. Then can you go through and say if you think those individual reasons are enough to clear off of or not. My picture of your slot’s read on mine is vaguer than I think it should be
What are your thoughts on lol specifically? Before arete, and disregarding any partnery stuff, what did his posts make you think alignment-wise at the time. With hindsight, do you find anything he posted villagerier or wolfier now?
Why before vulgard was wolfy and now hes fine: the novel
He was, infact, not town
He called both of the dead wolves town day one, which makes me feel suspicious about him beforehand
ATE
I really like this, even if Richard flipped town. Richard was 100% cringe, and should’ve died, even if town
Accuses him and then instantly defends him
Valid point against cringe-richard
Was after marl was outted wolf. Doesn’t bother explaining why he thought he was town
Arctic was doctor, but it does make sense that a PR would play in the same nervousness that a wolf would feel, especially if you weren’t outted (like mist outted d1)
shenanigans
Do you still believe this? Derps was not included because he “claimed neighborizer”, which is fine
if your gonna be not relevant at all, at least be funny
I like this, especially because of how marshal was acting
accepts responsibility
Past this is when i started v reading him
valid
Bliz was good, but like the push on derps
eli was hella lazy then
Lol was acting super super wolfy
thats just called being bad
To his credit, re-reading blizer made him sound decently wolfy
This is weird, and I’m glad vul called bliz out on this
Doesn’t instantly jump to the front of being v in Arctic’s eyes, instead questions him for that train of thought
This is not a good pass, and bliz was town, while derps was mafia
Pretty decent
Trying to figure out a plan to move forward, very v
No clue what this website is, but using other game’s plays to figure out w’s and v’s
Derps was evil, and unless vul was bussing (something derps would not like, based on his previous games (has a record of bussing other wolves for no reason)) (im not an alt i found this from another post) Vul was probably good
Old game, but this is the last Hippo wolfgame I remember. The posts quoted comprise the biggest push he made all game. The push is mostly OMGUS from the looks of it.
Compare this to these.
Seems really dedicated to the game, which was good at this point
Leader
Sounds like him
thank you, very cool
also while im here i take back eli being town
Second ISO that day, impressive, shows dedication
Third ISO
Very confident, believes in his claim, even if it was false (derps/arete/blizer), derps was wolf, bliz wasn’t
Extremely dedicated
lol, shut him down
Kinda obvious, there is at least one town in any group of three
You did
Valid
Also valid
I agree, eli has been acting like this for a good while
Point #1 is the previous read I had on you, when I called you town because your thought processes on your reads day 1 were good and towny. And by good and towny, I mean nuanced enough that I think the wolf version of you wouldn’t bother to emulate that.
Point #2 is the whole thing about you knowing Arctic was a PR and yet not outing it until an opportune time.
Point #3 is just your general vibe being a vibe I wouldn’t expect from someone with TMI, which is the weakest point though, and easily debated.
I’ll be honest, I’ve read lol’s ISO at least three times and I drew a blank every single time. I wish I could go back to day 1 or day 3 and yeet lol instead, so I wouldn’t have to worry about his slot. That said, I do townread Arete right now, so.
The unfortunate thing is that both flipped wolves didn’t have real interactions with lol. Marl and lol had interactions, but they didn’t really push me either way. You could say that the way lol spoke to Marl about adding Eli to his PoE and Marl accepting it was very partnery, but that feels too blatant to be a partner interaction. You could say these were two wolves trying to add a villager to the PoE while pretending to argue with each other, but.
Honestly, looking back at it, I feel like Marl can’t be with both lol and Eli. I don’t think Marl talks to his partner lol about adding his partner Eli to the PoE. I just don’t think that’s likely, even though it’s theoretically possible. There’s no evidence they were bussing each other, unless you take the VC from day 1 I quoted earlier as evidence.
Because it’s the fundamental difference in viewpoints I think we have
Why doesn’t he talk with a partner about adding another partner to the PoE? What’s the aversion wolves actually have to something like that? You put this as kind of a given but i’m not making the connection as to why this interaction is unlikely to come from 3 wolves
Because it’s… random, it doesn’t accomplish anything. You might think that they were doing it to look like they are not partners, but it just… seems pointless to me. I don’t know.
I’ve never been good at interpreting actions of players who are random bussers and who post things that don’t really make much internal sense.
Like, if I assume they are wolves, then instead of getting literally anything done in the thread, they decided to discuss how to bus each other - in the thread. That just seems like a complete waste of time, unless you think the wolf strategy was to bus each other to hell and back. And sure, I even found an interaction where Marl was “bussing” Derps. But that interaction wasn’t even a bus, it was more like distancing.
I think it’s possible! I’m not completely dismissing them being partners, I just find it unlikely, because I can’t see them playing like this - under normal circumstances, anyway. Maybe I’m underestimating their propensity for bussing or something.
the specific point that made me think that could be the case was the one where you talked about how Arctic being doctor would have led to him playing a bit more of a wolfy game because of nervousness, which is a widely held belief among “more experienced” players but not one I would expect to be immediately obvious (I could be wrong)
but I also think that in particular would be a really weird thing to coach
