Rwby fm - wolves win! at least it wasnt a ******* scumstomp

[Marshal]

I think his interperetations of events are very unfair (and also crafted specifically to create a narrative but lol)

He completely ignores every comment on marl I made in-between

he skips straight from my marl/chloe v/w thing at the beginning of the dome to marl as a top villager

I gradually grew confidence in that read and it should be shown in thread

I also think that “ok so marshal is villager unless she starts v reading marl and if she does town would be so bad to let her live” is 1 million percent cringe

[Marshal]

There’s honestly not a ton about my defence of marl, I was wrong, my play was anti-town, and that’s uncharacteristic of me. Shrugze. It’s fair to drop me down for that, i’d drop me down for that.

But I still object pretty strongly to vulgard’s interpertation of events and framing of the situation

[Arctic]

@Marshal

I gradually grew confidence in that read and it should be shown in thread

i don’t think you did actually

[lol]

Boxed In

[Marshal]

@Marshal

realistically i don’t actually want to focus the dome a ton for the next few hours. I want to focus finding villagers outside of it.

If i had to say i’d go marl, i’ve caught glimpses of that “I am the best player and will destroy every wolf” stuff that makes marl obvious town as town. I still don’t like his post at me during me and chloe’s argument. It seemed awfully sideliney and it was addressed at me. But atm i’d honestly probably put him at >rand v because outright thunderdoming someone and confidently declaring them an opportunistic wolf is villagery for him. Didn’t really want to say I felt that way and encourage him if he is wolf but it’s what i’m feeling.

I can’t say it being v/v is technically out of the question (w/w is, chloe’s annoyance is genuine, either she’s v or w who’s annoyed at marl for catching her) but I find it likely that at least one of them is mafia considering marl’s comment at me combined with the fact that chloe is wolfy

this is all i rlly wanna say on the 'dome. It’s unlikely to actually hold to EoD but i like it being in place atm, marl and chloe are 2 slots I want eyes on. im gonna focus on other stuff rn

@Marshal

I mean it’s really not a v/w dichotomy

because it’s not mechanical

I’m treating your slots about the same considering the dome
but I have a vested interest in egging it on because I think more people actually need to look at marl and chloe and this is a good way of doing it

@Marshal

Marshal
Marl
Mistyx
Eli (still here. suck it)
Arctic

Atlas
Vulgard
Cheese

these are my villagers

@Marshal

And marl is high because he’s been, like, extremely obvious town. Man outright thunderdomed the strongest mafia player in the game and has insisted they are wolf, has done similar marly pushes to derps and chloe.

I think he’s straight up v. and if crich is wolf he is lock lock lock lock clear.

this is it

Guess I didn’t outline it in thread, shrug
it grew in confidence anyways, and came before a crich v flip, so “marshal didn’t bury marl even tho she said she would if crich was v” is an uncharitable interpretation of events

[Vulgard]

@Marshal

I think his interperetations of events are very unfair (and also crafted specifically to create a narrative but lol)

I townread you the entire way until you flipped to townreading Marl for no reason regardless of the Chloe slot’s flip. This felt like you knew the slot would flip V and Marl would look bad based on the dichotomy you yourself created, so you had to back out of it.

I’m not sure how it’s bad faith from me. If my read was in bad faith, I’d call you mafia from the beginning. I townread most of the things you did day 1, but then I saw that switch and I couldn’t see the V motivation there. I don’t see what would prompt you to progressively decide “well Marl is V anyway, even though I was sure there’s a wolf between Marl and Chloe.”

And then you come into day 2, with Chloe slot having flipped V, and you straight up call Marl one of your top villagers. Where did that entire read go? You talked about Chloe/Marl and how they were likely v/w for like 50 posts on day 1. Then comes EoD1 and day 2 and it’s like that talk didn’t even matter.

And Marl is now an outed wolf. Surely, you understand why this is extremely suspicious considering the timing.

[Vulgard]

The only reason why I’m not calling to bury you is that I did townread several other things you did day 1 and that micro thing is what stuck out to me a lot.

[Marshal]

@Vulgard

And then you come into day 2, with Chloe slot having flipped V, and you straight up call Marl one of your top villagers. Where did that entire read go? You talked about Chloe/Marl and how they were likely v/w for like 50 posts on day 1. Then comes EoD1 and day 2 and it’s like that talk didn’t even matter.

I read his stuff over and had a quick turnaround
he was playing to his village meta to a t, I thought he was acting just like every village game where i’ve locked him v.
I took a look at his macro play and thought it was extremely villagery. This was after I had woke up and new posts came.

I get it can look suspicious, there’s not much I can do for being wrong but I still think you’ve been way harsher on these events

[Vulgard]

The harshness mostly stems from the timing of your read switch. It’s just before a villager flipped, and in the perfect moment when wolf!Marl needs thread backup. With your sudden top townread on him, you would effectively make him go beyond the village radar for a while, because you’d had a loud voice.

I haven’t yet checked whether you were the only person insistent on this, but you sure did push it hard.

[Marshal]

like I was wrong on marl. no moving past that.

but I think it’s unfair to bring in my past read and then frame it as me backing out of a read. Everything I do as mafia is deliberate, I don’t suddenly get scared out of a bus and then not do it. You’ve played a lot with wolf me. If I bus I bus to kill. It was never a ‘thunderdome’ for me, I specifically said I was egging it on to get people thinking about the marl and chloe slots because both were degrees of wolfy to me and I wanted eyes on the slots.

Then I took a look at marl’s iso for the first time since my first reads post and decided it was villagery. My progression isn’t bad. I have flip flopped reads a lot harder than this, and this is barely a degree of flip flop.

You can drop me down for the marl read being wrong but I find the framing of it to be incredibly bad faith and mixing it in with a bunch of other things that frankly don’t matter and make me look far worse than reality.

[Vulgard]

I did, in fact, consider the world where you’re just a villager who’s incorrectly townread a wolf. This is the world I considered first, in fact, since I’d been townreading you beforehand. But then I considered the context and it felt more like you knew what you were doing rather than just being wrong.

[Vulgard]

@Marshal

Everything I do as mafia is deliberate, I don’t suddenly get scared out of a bus and then not do it.

I know. I’m arguing you didn’t actually want to bus there. If Chloe flipped (and it was very likely when you swapped your read), you didn’t want to be forced to throw Marl under the bus. You thought keeping him alive was more valuable, and so you tried to push him into the towncore.

It’s not bad progression. It’s very… convenient progression, one that looks planned.

[Vulgard]

If Marl wasn’t outed today, it would look fairly innocuous. But when you consider these actions through the prism of “Marl is a wolf and a villager who’d been doming with him is getting yeeted,” it makes sense for wolf!you to play that situation the exact way you did. Your only alternative was to superclap Marl, and it’s perfectly reasonable that you wouldn’t want to do that.

[Vulgard]

I’m not tossing you into inner PoE because you were wrong on Marl. A lot of people were wrong on Marl. I was wrong on Marl, as you’ve already said. I’m tossing you into inner PoE because of how you were ‘wrong’ on Marl.

[Arctic]

i think vulgard is a villager

[Marshal]

I’d still argue i’m villager beyond the marl read

I don’t unfortunately have pelts to back it up, and the people I currently think are pelts are rando poe slots that nobody would give me cred for anyways

I think my treatment of chloe is beyond the realm of my wolfrange, especially because I know just how pocketable she is and just how difficult she is to miseliminate. If she doesn’t replace out she doesn’t go over that day in almost all likelihood. wolf!me doesn’t bank on that or bank on bullying her out of the game.

marl co-opting my push and trying to genuinely turn it into a push is hard to account for, but it seems like it was a move to get me hyped up about my own chloe read. the fact that he dropped it when it’s clear i wasn’t really budging gives credence to that. But i hate the words you’re saying so give me a second

[Arctic]

i want to say this is v/v but i really don’t think killing our ‘rando poe’ slots solves the game and i think my towncore is pure
so
idk

[Vulgard]

@Arctic

i really don’t think killing our ‘rando poe’ slots solves the game

Elaborate?

[Vulgard]

@Arctic

i want to say this is v/v

For the record, I’m not turning this into a thunderdome.

[Arctic]

because after lol and PKR i’m not confident on there being a 4th wolf in there
like atlas or ami could still be town