Anyways /vote Ozzkozz.
@Vulgard CFD time
Iām actually not a fan of this CFD because I think this target flips BD.
And confirming his greenchecks doesnāt do anything when we have two converts to consider.
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In all fairness Ozz has not really been trying to solve either.
Although Iām getting the feeling this applies to some BD as well as scum this game.
Ngh.
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All but one of my assessments are over this term, and the last one is an assignment so I can be more active now. Sorry the past few days.
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Vul, Iāve got a two questions
- Why are you so sure that King is Good King that youād leave someone at 5.
- Why have you been town reading ozz for so long then turn around and say this? it just seems out of character from the way youāve been so certain Iāve been scum for bot trying to āsolveā even though Iāve been giving my reads the entire time.
(Also make sure ozz is left at 4 I doubt they arenāt scum but this is just in case).
I still think Soul is more likely to flip scum than Ozz.
The problem is that I see 1-2 scum with a small chance for 3 in Ozz/Hja/Arete/Soul. I think Soul and Arete are equally likely to flip scum but theyāre not going to both flip scum.
Ozz might flip scum but I think heās more likely to flip BD.
If Hja flips scum sheās probably a convert.
So basically lynching Soul should clear Arete because I donāt think it makes sense for Corax to bus at this stage of the game (if Soul flips scum). Arete is very likely to be scum if Soul flips BD.
Lynching Ozzā¦ if heās BD his checks were surely real but we have no way to prove if Corax had a Ritualist or not, so basically his lynch doesnāt tell us a lot if heās BD.
If heās Cult, his lynchā¦ still doesnāt tell us a lot. He was considered suspicious by many early on, and throughout the game. There is no way he is being bussed right now, so I guess the people pushing him would be cleared as BD, butā¦ the same applies to Soul, really. I feel like this is another Jgo situation where people are mistaken and Ozz is just BD.
Iām considering possibilities. If Luxy is so certain Ozz is scum I want to bring some stuff up and see what people think. If my read completely flipped I would be voting Ozz instead of Soul right now.
You see I would agree if he had just had a bad day today, but his scummy plays on day 2 and day 3, which included some weird tension between us that I thought came from nowhere, make me think he is starting cult rather than Soul, who has confirmed night actions.
| Accused | Voters | Votes |
|---|---|---|
| Soulshade | Ozzkozz, Jgoesgaming, Teleology, Vulgard | 4/7 |
| Ozzkozz | Soulshade, Kai_5, Luxy, Magnus | 4/7 |
| H_Hja | Arete | 1/7 |
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Also if Ozz is scum he couldāve easily been bussed waaay earlier considering heās consistently been having greenchecks. They would be immediately called into question once he flipped red, which would open the path for easy mislynches.
Heās not being bussed though. In fact I donāt think there was ever an attempt. Kai came the closest to doing so on D2 but they couldnāt be scum together at that point.
Since I think this would be a very good play for Corax, the fact itās not been attempted also makes me think Ozz is BD. Heās been consistently scummy and nobody was defending him until I did this today (if Iām wrong, please point it out to me). He couldāve been lynched or nightkilled at any point and yet nobody seemed to care.
Feels like Corax thinks keeping him around is beneficial, but heās not Cult. Maybe Ozz has a greencheck on a Cult member? I donāt know.
Basically I still think Ozz is BD, I just canāt articulate it very well.
Thatās fair
I am thinking me and Arete can both be Bd (I still think arete can be scum although) I directly thought Cult where/are pushing me generally based on me being a LHF drunk, at least most people consider me LHF or scum at this point.
I somewhat disagree with this because I think Arete could be a drunk still, This understandably makes me think you want to push a debber, yes this is flawed and you should push me if you feel like I am scum just from my point of view it feels like you want to get a debber out as debbers would be the prime late game targets to get out.
Yes and no it would at least make Ozzās checks a lot more valid at this point. Thatās nowhere near the main reasoning of me wanting to push ozz I generally think ozz is scum.
Just because someone is considered suspicious early on doesnāt really clear them just because their are similar situations where we think someone else is suspicious early on.
Comparing situations works but it isnāt always the greatest factor.
Why would cult nightkill a scummy player?
Corax cult has not been making the most rational decisions this game, and just because you expect or donāt expect someone to do something is not a reason to clear them as we saw with Tele/Alice.
Considering Corax is supposed to be a team I feel like nobody has been playing like a team with Ozz. The only person who has any strong association with him (Kai) couldnāt possibly be scum with him D2.
I will probably need to look into it more deeply but I think there would at least be something.
Though to be fair, the Mithras Cult seemed to generally avoid each other throughout the game, soā¦ maybe Corax is doing the same thing?
I generally feel like cult would try to interact with each other normally.
Generally speaking strange interactions should be considered, like false distancing ect.
Which I really donāt get considering who the members were, but I digress.
Do we think Corax is doing the same thing?