[SFoL] 52 Clash Of Cults - The Blue Dragon are Victorious!

[Luxy]

So, Jake is scum?

[Luxy]

@Solic

Disguise (Day) - If the target player dies tonight, they will appear as a class of your choice. - 1 use (shared)

Ok, no day defile, but Kyo could’ve been disguised so Prince can check by attempting to exe jake tonight?

[Alice]

Kind of thinking that he’s probably the Mithras convert and PKR/Sulit got eradicated by the Corax CL.

He was far more towny d1 and for him to just mention him flipping Mithras Cultist fits exactly in with my Jake convert theory.

[Luxy]

Alice, what’s your opinion on the Ozz/Kai scumteam Corax cult theory?

[Alice]

I don’t think either of them are scum from their reactions, tbh. Plus, pulling a gambit like that between two Cultists after not converting and only having two members would be dumb as hell to do.

[Luxy]

Are either of them scum to you?

[Geyde]

Accused	Voters	Votes
Ozzkozz	Magnus	1/10
Kai_5	Luxy, Ozzkozz, Marshal, Jgoesgaming	4/10
JgoesGaming	Alice, Vulgard, DatBird	3/10
JakeTheWolfie	H_Hja, Napoleon, Kai_5, SirDerpsAlot, Arete	5/10
SirDerpsAlot	JakeTheWolfie	1/10

[Alice]

Unlikely. Ozz is solid BD from how he reacted to the check. Kai’s less sure, but if Kai is scum I’d think he’d likely be Mithras rather than Corax as Corax really isn’t in a position to make risky gambits being that they should only have 2 members right now.

[Arete]

Alice, thoughts on Jake? I’m worried that my analysis was hurt by the fact that I basically went into it with Jake as a strong scumread.

[Luxy]

But if the gambit had worked, they could’ve won the game off that alone.

[SirDerpsAlot]

I feel like one of Kai or ozz is probably scum, leaning more twords Kai at this point

[Alice]

I really think he’s a convert. Compare his reaction to being accused d1 with now. Before he didn’t care and basically just defended his ideas. Now he’s pretty much flailing and tried making an ISO to get the heat off him and then tried revitalizing Kai’s wagon.

Plus, the post on the day defile was weird as fuck. Don’t think it even exists and for him to think that he can flip as anything other than a Knight is just… yeah. The mindset and PoV here really doesn’t come from BD.

[Alice]

Not really. Townlocks don’t last for long, so the risk-reward analysis here would make it a poor gambit.

[Luxy]

Ok, have you read my case on Kai though? What do you think of his scummy behaviours and posting AI identical to his previous scum games?

[Alice]

About him backing off with Italy’s claim?

[Luxy]

my entire ISO of him

[Alice]

Also, when did SDA and Jake begin suspecting each other?

The fact that they just both suddenly started death-tunneling each other with no build-up feels weird as hell to me.

[SirDerpsAlot]

I was scum reading him over 24 hours ago

[SirDerpsAlot]

His vote on me was OMGUS

[Alice]

@Luxy

@Ami

also
hi im kai im extremly fucking gay get used to my ass as im not planning on dying or getting lynch l m a o

Kai is quite confident that neither cults will try and kill him, nor BD will try and lynch him. Unless I misinterpret this, it could mean that A, he is going to try and act like he’s not a threat by posting useless garbage, which the majority of his posts are. or B, he may be cult trying to make sure no one kills him.

@Ami

it’s literally fucking day 1 let me shitpost

Kai pulled this one on me in the grand idea SFoL, anyone remember his alignment from there?

@Ami

arete lock town lessago

Does Kai generally joke about his reads in this way?

@Ami

imagine taking d1 serious luhmaO

Trying to shut down meaningful discussion day 1. This is not a pro-town mindset, but it does not necessarily condemn him yet. I’ve seen townies say stuff along theses lines before.

@Ami

wait he hardclaimed scum LMAO

why dont we have a d1 lynch

@Ami

i lynch every scum claimer

It seems weird that instead of trying to lynch the scum claimer (Ozz) he ‘reactiontests’ them in order to clear them. I’m sensing the possibility of a mafia gambit here, except the interactions between Kai and Ozz have been weird all game and I don’t know if they mean that they can’t be on the same team or not.

@Ami

you me dat village core discuss

I was suspicious of Kai after this post, it almost felt like a pocket attempt out of nowhere. I scumread at that point, and had made that pretty clear, yet he still proposed it.

@Ami

hrm, id like some full thoughts on magnus if you haven’t recently already. If you have please quote said post

@Ami

fair

He’s quite quick to let me off the hook in regards to reading Magnus, almost like he was trying to seem towny by asking questions but doesn’t actually care about content being generated thus, when I said I was confused by Magnus, he let it go instantly instead of pressing me for more info.

@Ami

ah you haven’t been acquainted with me no?
i’m kai get fucking used to the memes

Lots of meme-ing day one, but that’s NAI for Kai.

@Ami

drift has been caught but i’m not sure if i agree

Kai was one of the people who did not seem to think Tele was scum from her Sulit read, which was pretty awful considering we know think of her as a towny.

@Ami

claimed scum, i lynch all scum claimers regardless if it’s a meme or not

Again why would he reaction test a scum claimer rather than lynching them, unless they were pulling a gambit in order to clear Ozz.

@Ami

gut shot. He feels towny to me so that’s what i’m going with.

now if you’d excuse me i’m probably passing out soon

Gutreads Dat as town, which I’m not sure I agree with still.
https://forum.imperium42.com/t/sfol-52-clash-of-cults-day-2-a-blood-sacrifice-trinity/77883/1930?u=luxy
Scumreads Derps, and so far has done nothing about this read IIRC.

@Ami

i buy ozz as starting town, however it wouldn’t be impossible to draw scum reads for his meming and have people defend him as “no scum would draw that much attention to himself”

@Ami

so rn Ozz is still the lynch as i lynch all scum claimers
xoxo /vote OzzKozz

This feels… off. I mean I guess its explained by Kai saying he was trying to get interactions from Ozz but like, it seems weird to vote someone with the reasons ‘oh he could be town because xyz but he claimed scum so lynch.’

@Ami

i think the scum are silent tbh.

thats my take

And so, the all scum are inactive narrative begins, and allows Kai to begin to set up his gambit?

@Ami

i lynch all scum claimers

fuck off

The intensity to which he wanted Ozz dead could easily be interpreted as distancing, in preparation for the gambit.

@Ami

honey

im not scum. I physically cannot be scum

keep grasping at those straws btw xoxoxoxoxoxox

I don’t see how Kai can’t be starting scum…?

@Ami

honestly vul’s post was unintentional AtE imo so

Vulgard is town until proven otherwise in my eyes.

case closed

Kai clears Vul pretty fast, however, i don’t think this is AI as Vul is townread by everyone except Tele at this point.

@Ami

you me centuries dat towncore lets go?

However, the fast clearing could be pocketing. Also somehow I am now out of his towncore at this point even though I hadn’t posted yet so his opinion on me should’ve stayed the same.

@Ami

luxy lives in a wackass timezone so hes prob sleeping or busy

I was asleep.

@Ami

explain your scum reads and your hard town reads

Pressure on Marshal, I do like this because marshal’s game has been rather lacklustre to this point.

@Ami

i am only sold on dat, me, vul, centuries being bd

Yet you wanted me in a towncore yesterday? I think Kai is using his ‘towncore’ as a means to be townread.

@Ami

honestly

in no timeline do i see Ozz flipping bd

/vote Ozz

@Ami

there is zero worlds where they flip pally.

ozz is scum. No question

@Ami

Fuck it
pally with redcheck on ozz.

was hoping to try to get associations but noooko

The progression here makes sense, but is light. Wouldn’t a pally trying to get associations wait longer than to almost instantly out the red check just because Ozz wanted reasoning for the push on him?

@Ami

there is no scum motivation in thunderdoming a pally this early

When he said this me, I believed him, hwever, if we consider a gambit, there is plenty of motivation.

@Ami

super fucking jarring vote.

the hell crack you on?

@Ami

then how am i fake

Kai is quite defensive for one vote on him, especially when Derps says ‘fake paly’ maybe he was scared his gambit was caught already?

@Ami

so Alice.

thoughts on my shitty little gambit?

He calls it a gambit instead of a reaction test/FPS?

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Overall, I think the possibility of a scum gambit between Ozz and Kai is a decent possibility. Kai’s ISO is a mess of contradictions and insignificant pushes designed to look towny without actually generating content. Some of Kai’s reads are good, however, this is multiball and I think there is a very solid chance of Kai and Ozz being cultists, having planned the whole ‘fake red check’ in their scum chat.

Found it. I still don’t think that both of them are Cultists, or at most in the same scum team, as the entire thing went pretty natural. Kai backing down when Italy also claimed Paladin was probs the most oddest thing I found here as if he was afraid of a fourth Paladin claim coming up.