Arete are you for or against a Kai lynch?
Maybe tentatively for, but Iād need to take a closer look. I was aggressively wrong yesterday and Iād like to not be wrong again.
Italy Iso. There are posts before the ones I started with but they donāt have much content, itās basically a mix of fluff and memeing.
This is the thing I and everyone else who townread Italy was townreading him for. I maintain that he wouldnāt have stepped in to CC two Paladin claims that he thought were legitimate, thatās basically never a play you see from scum, but now that Iām typing this out it occurs to me that Italy/Kai and Italy/Ozz are both possibilities if this was planned, though Iām not sure that thatās actually borne out as a possibility by the rest of the thread.
Here he instantly assumes that one of the other paladins is fake, which suggests to me that tinfoils where heās on a scumteam with them are not the case.
This is a town-y check from my point of view because it basically locks him out of pushing me as a lynch D2, at a point when a lot of people were scumreading me and Iād have been a relatively easy push.
This is the first real push we see Italy make on a specific person, itās very obvious that Italyās coming from ToL here because heās kind of confused by Kaiās reaction test but I actually wouldnāt expect to see this sort of confidence coming from newbscum.
Not a super useful question in-context.
I am sort of confused by the extent to which that post was a joke.
As far as I can tell this is the start of the Italy push on Jake.
Two more posts on the Kai reaction test thing. To be honest, I doubt scum!Italy ever has the confidence to tunnel Kai here the way heās doing (sorry Italy). Itās not that itās a good push, but the way heās pushing it screams newbtown to me.
donāt! call! out! your! checks! Like, I guess itās at least sort of okay since he ended up apparently not checking Napoleon, but if either Cult has framing abilities, youād risk getting two BD killed.
More of the Italy tunnel on Kai. The progression on Ozz is kind of weird, but the progression on Kai fits in with the rest of Italyās Iso.
I sort of feel like I canāt comment on this because I was the one who occād him, I basically believe he believed an Invoker occād him I just donāt think that thatās a conclusion he should have drawn.
Scumreads Jake for the 80 percent post, heās kind of bouncing back and forth between Jake and Kai yesterday. I maintain it was a bad reason to scumread Jake, but it doesnāt feel like a newbscum way to scumread Jake.
This post is basically the scummiest thing in his Iso, it looks like a wolf asking āwhich mislynch can I jump on without people scumreading me for it.ā Itās not enough on its own to make me scumread him, though.
This is super obvious but Iād say being this obvious is basically NAI.
Hereās where he pretty much fully switches to pushing the Jake wagon over the Kai wagon, this is ill-explained and one of the worst spots in his Iso in my opinion because the progression is terrible (going from Kai as a basically top scumread to switching the wagon) but Iām not really seeing the earlier scumread on Kai as wolf theater from Italy.
I donāt think cult!Italy claims a random N2 smite here, I think heād probably pick a random non-basement buddy and call them NS.
knows how FoL Paladin works, clearly locktown
I mean, I know heās not evil trying to confirm a cultbuddy as BD but somehow I donāt expect that logic to be convincing to any of the rest of you. Either way, I think heās telling the truth about whether or not heād do it.
Itās sort of weird how he zones in on me as Corax CL rather than Mithras, this post feels vaguely scummy to me as I donāt think most people would jump so quickly to the thought of a random N1 tailor, even if the logic follows.
tl;dr/summary Overall, Italy is pretty clearly newbtown rather than newbscum, there are weird spots in his Iso but I donāt think theyāre the sort of weird spots youād find in the Iso of a scumteam member. Even if his pushes are kind of erratic in some ways they seem very much like confused newbie erratic pushes rather than newbscum erratic pushes.
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Corollary to the Italy Iso: I think itās substantially more likely that Alice is scum than I was predicting earlier. I think sheās a strong enough player to be able to distinguish Italy from a newbscum and the fact that she didnāt suggests some amount of opportunism, just, subtle opportunism rather than overt opportunism.
/vote Alice until further notice, even though Iād still like an answer from Vulgard.
| Accused | Voters | Votes |
|---|---|---|
| Kai_5 | Jgoesgaming, Vulgard, Luxy, WazzaAzza | 4/9 |
| SirDerpsAlot | Alice, Kai_5 | 2/9 |
| Arete | Ozzkozz, SirDerpsAlot, Marshal, Teleology | 4/9 |
| Vulgard | Arete | 1/9 |
Okay, Iāve caught up.
Yeah I was linked with Luxy N1. I didnāt want to out until Luxy decided it was time to out because I read Luxy as lock BD D1 and in our night chat. Luxyās also been following our established plan since N1.
Me being shaded for it by Arete is suspicious as heck and the same thing applies to Tele. Tele accuses Napoleon and Alice which is perfectly in line with our chat in link and gets ganged up on by them both. I really hate this.
I still wanna lynch Kai. However, I genuinely believe Tele is still BD trying to solve the game, but she gets shaded and ridiculed for it by scum because sheās getting close.
If youāre BD, this is not the right direction to go.
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BD:
Tele
Centuries
Marshal
Luxy
Derp
Magnus
Hja
Soul
Jgo
Ozz (tentative)
possibly Wazza?
PoE:
Alice
Arete
Napoleon
Italy
Kai
(possibly Ozz/Wazza since Iām the most tentative on the two. I can buy cult Ozz pushing cult Arete)
Pisses me off that people in my PoE are shading my BD reads.
Iām tempted to just go off and swear at them but Iāll restrain myself because itās not like me to do that.
Also STOP WITH THE DAMN SELF-META REGARDLESS OF ALIGNMENT. It pisses me off. People can change playstyles or lie about their styles. Nobody can 100% verify whether youāre telling the truth, so stop using it as an argument for or against lynches.
Vote still parked on Kai but Iām voting inside my PoE today.
Peace.
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