[SFoL] 52 Clash Of Cults - The Blue Dragon are Victorious!

[Ami]

i live breath and sleep mened

[Ami]

my entire life is one big meme

[Emilia]

You can’t scumread for memes unless they’re bad ones that’s the rule

[Arete]

I kind of want to Iso Magnus but I’m worried it would just turn into criticism of his playstyle and I’m not sure that that’s helpful right now.

[Ami]

go off sis

[Napoleon]

When did Magnus claim hunter btw?

[Arete]

@Magnus

hacker Hunter.

Here.

[Teleology]

Some of Sulit’s posts. It is important to note that he said he would be busy with school before his class was rolled so that’s NAI.

@sulit

oooooh

Tea

@sulit

I’m kinda hungry

@sulit

Scum bones sound pretty good

Nice and crunchy

I could go for some salsa too though

@sulit

Dear god

Do BD never eat

That’s kinda depressing ngl

A lot of his posts at the beginning seem void of meaning. However, the context of that tine frame was that everyone was memeing, and this could just be playful towny activity.

@sulit

Both alignments can be cautious

Depends what kind of caution it is

I like that he added to the conversation about caution by explaining that being cautious is NAI to him because town and scum both have reasons to do it. Seems like a towny thing to do.

@sulit

Actually circling back to this

What’s the possibility of V and Kyo

What’s the dudes name

He is thinking on terms of scum partners. Which is either a lazy scum read from a scum, or a Bd attempting to throw out game solves. We should keep in mind that the cult can create legitimate scum reads as well (to find opposing cultists).

@sulit

Ooh so what kind of reactions have you gotten and what reads have you gotten from them

Sulit is interrogating/asking people questions to get them involved. This is a generally towny thing to do, but even on my second game I was asking people questions as scum so…

@sulit

Can you answer my first question I’m starting to think you’re avoiding it

Caring about other people’s responses looks really good on him tbh. Unless we think he is trying to push for a mislynch here. I know Sulit is a vet? I haven’t played any games with him and I am unfamiliar with his play style.

@sulit

I think he’s sus because he said he was reaction fishing but he avoided answering when I asked him what reactions he got and what reads he got out of it

Here is him explaining his scum read on Ozz. Either Sulit is trying to push for a mislych on Ozz or Sulit is likely town trying to hunt his leads.

After reviewing Sulit’s ISO I am not reading him as scum anymore. If anyone has any ideas about his play style please say.

[Teleology]

However, he is still not “confirmed town” in my mind by any means

[Marshal]

1. Marshal - Sexy-lean

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2. SoulShade55r Null | No content

3. Alice Null | No content

4. Datbird Null

ISO

@DatBird

Im bored obligatory NAI ping that someone will point out later and say yeah Datbird does this every game.
Marshal
Soulshade55r
Alice
JakeTheWolfie
Kai_5
Napoleon
Luxy
SirDerpsAlot
sulit
Italy
Well thats ten Ill get the others soon, or right after this post

NAI Ping is NAI

@DatBird

pretty sus post right here

@DatBird

in the way of Sarcasm

These two quotes feel a little off, as some have pointed out. I would like dat to explain his meaning.

@DatBird

what do you think of king?

Dat getting things moving day 1, as always.

@DatBird

So whats ur take on centuries?

Another example of dat getting things moving.

Overall, it just seems like dat being dat. Getting the game moving, but with a few things feeling off. Null for now.

5. JakeTheWolfie Slight scumlean

ISO

@JakeTheWolfie

Hasn’t it been like less than an hour or so?

Classic jake being combative. NAI post

@JakeTheWolfie

think they are either hiding their deceit or are

Teleology:

Some people get busy. Inactivity isn’t inherently a red flag

This. Inactive. Busy. Whatever you call it.

Gave answer to question. still not getting much from this.

@JakeTheWolfie

We have a 60% chance of a good king, and at least a 20% chance that they’ll fight our opposing faction anyway. So we have an 80% chance of the king working for us.

This, right here, is what i want to focus on. Was it a slip? I get what he means but this just does not bode well. When confronted about it, jake dodged as always and used heavy sarcasm. I do NOT like it very much.

@JakeTheWolfie

I said we, and our opponent. Therefore, I should be a Cultist and Blue Dragon.

Not a good answer

@JakeTheWolfie

If it was a scumslip, then that still means I’m talking about two other opponents, or opponent. We will work together to defeat our opponent.

Even worse answer

In the end, although jake does always seem scummy, the things they have said just make me feel like we have scum in jake more and more as time goes on. Light scumread for me.

6. Kai_5 Very very very slight townlean

ISO

@Ami

im sorry but im slowly going insane get your panties out of a twist and wait

kinda NAI but i like the quote

@Ami

arete writing a wall post be like

@Ami

hon hon hon, first we give you our caprisuns, then we give you riots

@Ami

Arete showmance?

/s

Early memes. Dont really see that as AI either but ill point it out

@Ami

king says gay rights

@Ami

ok im not THAT gay

Gay rights = Locktown

@Ami

its good to get the shitposting out of ones system

Meme justification. I buy it.

@Ami

it’s literally fucking day 1 let me shitpost

Takes d1 less seriously. I personally see that as a townie(ish) move.

@Ami

meta reads are dumb and overrated

Meta reads are important, but yes, overrated.

@Ami

…please tell me why you considered it a good idea to claim d1 with no lynch

One of the first actual game-related questions. I also would like the answer.

@Ami

you me dat village core discuss

Ah yes, the top 3 talkers as village core. of course, thats how this works

@Ami

hrm, id like some full thoughts on magnus if you haven’t recently already. If you have please quote said post

We now are getting some actual content. yipee.

@Ami

Ozz should be the lynch.

lynch scum when scum is found

Ozz + kai seem to be at odds here. TvT, TvS, or SvS? I think TvS.

@Ami

we don’t live in your wackass time zone

bitch stfu america time best time

Over all, I want to put this in null, but also as town. like Very very very slight townlean. We have mostly shitposting with some content recently.

7. Napoleon Nullread

ISO

@Napoleon

So I quickly looked through the posts and apparently Ozz is suspicious for memeing a lot. I’ll probably ISO him later, but let me point out that he didn’t meme a lot in NFoL4 and he was evil… I feel like he wouldn’t want to draw attention to himself in this way if he were evil.

I actually dont really see the logic for people thinking ozz was scum for memeing a lot. Yes, he did meme, but I dont think he really came under criticism. He was actually shutting down some memers himself. this might be scum defending scumbud with weak logic.

@Napoleon

I feel like his read on Arete was a bit lazy though.

And of course you have the distance. I do feel like im being harsh here, but the scumbud explanation fits well.

@Napoleon

Also, uh, sorry about how I have two scumreads right now, I know that’s a scummy thing to do normally, I’m going to see how this day progresses and hopefully manage to find some town.

Why are you sorry? Are you trying to bring attention to this before someone else brings attention to it? If you’re BD, I wouldn’t be so worried about it. I also don’t believe finding two scum reads first in itself is inherently scummy.

Arete:

Agree. This aretepost does feel a little scummy.

@Napoleon

I don’t think we can gain anything else based on that one post though.

Kyo, if you had to lynch someone right now, who would it be?

Getting things moving. A lot like Nfol4

@Napoleon

Eh…

Does you revealing your scumread on Jgoes reveal something to scum?

Asking good questions. Again, like Nfol 4. either they know their townmeta and are following it, or are just town.

@Napoleon

I got one more question for you Kyo. You said that Jgoes is your preferred lynch. That’s fine. But you didn’t you catch JaketheWolfie in a scum slip?

Wants to focus on Jake more than Jgoes. Noted.

@Napoleon

Arete did you see my mini-ISO of you?

IDk why you would really ask that here.

@Napoleon

I don’t feel like Ozz would meme this much at the beginning as an evil… it’s his third game and I’d say he’d try and mimick NFoL4 without the small slips in between. I think I have a town-lean on ozz, but I’d say the memeing contributes to that. (of course, if he had done absolutely no gamesolving it would be a different story)

I dont particularly see where ozz was memeing. weak logic. dislike.

In the end, i am getting townie and scummy vibes. Mixed feelings from napoleon, and it will be null.

8. Arete Null

ISO

Arete is similar as scum and town. Im prepared to give a nullread before even Isoing arete

@Arete

To be clear, this read is a joke.

I think we could all tell said read was a joke. someone seems to care a little too much about how they look.

@Arete

My last two games (FoL 23, where I was a Knight and Kape was EK, and EFoL 3, where I was a Blue Dragon Noble and Priestess was EK) the King wasn’t and that in and of itself was a major reason why my faction lost, so no, I don’t.

I don’t think trying to read the King half an hour into D1 when they haven’t even been online is likely to be useful.

Arete seems to know how EK looks. Maybe this will be helpful in the future.

@Arete

I think most Cultists wouldn’t want the other Cult out early, though, because at that point BD can just focus all their efforts on the sole surviving cult.

I disagree, i think the biggest threat to the cult is the other cult, but i see the logic.

@Arete

I feel like Ozz is doing kind of a lot of claiming to be a Cultist this game. While one could argue that it’s a sign of BD memeing, claiming to be Cult as BD doesn’t really help BD, while doing it as Cult makes it moderately likely that people will say things like ‘no REAL cultist would claim cult, must be BD.’ I’d understand if he did it once as a joke, even if I’d have the same impulse, but it’s like half of his posts.

Iso #1. A classic case of WIFOM where (would a cultist claim cult? its unlikely, so its BD. But it also looks Bd, so its cult.) Meh use of said WIFOM.

@Arete

No, if you look at SFoL 51 I basically did that as starting CL, or at least tried to.

Definitely aware of self-meta. Noted.

@Arete

Also, uh, sorry about how I have two scumreads right now, I know that’s a scummy thing to do normally, I’m going to see how this day progresses and hopefully manage to find some town

Why sorry. thats not something to apologise for.

@Arete

You(vulgard) and Kyo are probably my strongest BDreads right now – both of you have been making sincere-seeming attempts at gamesolving, and though Kyo’s is more focused on analysis of his own, while yours is more focused at getting content out of others, both of you have some of both.

Although i can see where this is coming from. it seems to be compensating for lack of townreads. if that is NAI or Not, I don’t really know.

@Arete

(Indeed, in SFoL 51, Possessed was initially suspicious of me, and I assume there was something to that.)

Again, self-metawareness.

@Arete

If you had a compulsive D1 1-shot vig, who would you use it on?

Good question, I like this one.

@Arete

I reread his posts since my Iso of him and he seems kind of defensive, like he doesn’t want us to think the reasons you have for scumreading him are deliberate, but that could still come from town? Slight scumlean in my opinion, but Ozz is still scummier in my opinion.

Erm… werent you just townreading ozz… Hmm…

I am wary of arete, and am just hoping to read their actions further. Dont really have a concrete read but will keep my on them.

@Arete

Fuck it. Im tired. You all get these 8 Isoes/reads and i’ll do my best to do some more tommorow.

[Luxy]

I’ve already looked at it and its literally just one-liners with nothing but fluff

[Marshal]

does anyone have any thoughts on my ISO’s?

I spent the past hour on this plz let it not go to waste

[Teleology]

He claimed Hunter… he can bleed to prove if necessary. Tbh he is not sus at all imo after I read that he claimed

[Luxy]

Everything you said here was that sulit’s actions are either from scum or from town and you did not draw a conclusion as to which. This is a bad read from town at best or at worst, an attempted fluff read from scum

[Napoleon]

You do realize that Ozz has been memeing for at least the first half of the game?

[Luxy]

@Teleology

Caring about other people’s responses looks really good on him tbh. Unless we think he is trying to push for a mislynch here.

@Teleology

Either Sulit is trying to push for a mislych on Ozz or Sulit is likely town trying to hunt his leads.

@Teleology

Which is either a lazy scum read from a scum, or a Bd attempting to throw out game solves.

Legit making no decisions

[Marshal]

Yes, but i have not seen ozz really criticized for it very much and i dislike the logic + defend

[Marshal]

I did not get to everyone, though.’

can you quote the criticism?

[Teleology]

I added both because it depends on whether Sulit is a good player or not and I have no idea because ive never played with him

[Luxy]

I’m not sold on Ozz being scum he’s said some things that pinged me as town