SFoL 58: Last Stand of the Righteous -- Discussion and Balance Thread

If an exiled spawns, there must spawn a second exiled as well
Same is not true with cabalist

There is no relationship between the spawn of exiled and the spawn of a cabalist.

More Prestige = setup more townsided. Not sure which we want - scumsided or townsided.
I think scum have generally been winning HoB games? I’m not sure.

…Ah hell, I think starting convert should count toward the limit. That said, I also think there should be 3 Prestige because that should be more fun I think.

Okay, so there would at best be 2 Exiled + 1 Cabalist?

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if there is an exiled, there must be 2 exiled
that says nothing about the third possible prestige class though

Can a converted version of a Prestige class spawn if that Prestige class has already spawned for Unseen?

Yes

the two are unrelated

should they be?

I’m thinking about a situation where the scum faction has 2 of the same Prestige class and that feels kinda broken in some instances.

If this and the Unseen version both spawn, they’re essentially thunderdomed from day 1.

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Very low chance but yes bad
Should I make it such that a prestige class and an equivalent convert cannot both spawn?

I think yes.
Also I’ve just realized that a Judge converted to BD can’t gladiate, which kinda sucks and outs them.

I think the Prestige converts should be revised, I’ll take a look in a moment.

Found two really bad instances of Blue Dragon converts being potentially instantly outed.

No log network when converted to BD. Instantly outed.

No gladiate when converted to BD. Outed if they are requested to gladiate.

The Noble

Blue Dragon Social
Royal Blood (Passive) - Votes to become king count as two for you.
Pull Rank (Day) - Your vote will count as two today. This will not be announced publicly or affect the number of votes required to reach majority. - 3 uses
Dynasty’s Documents (Day) - Target player will appear to be the member of the Blue Dragon tonight. - Infinite uses.
Royal Decree (Day) - Resets the votes, allowing only you and your target to be put on trial for today. - 2 uses
Order (Night) - Negate the votes of a target player the next day. They can’t accuse anyone or vote tomorrow.
Rig Ballots (Night) - If target is voted up for trial tomorrow, automatically resolve it in an execution. - 0 uses
Forceful Order (Call to Arms | Night) - Negate the votes of a target player the next day. They can’t accuse anyone or vote tomorrow. You will gain a use of Rig Ballots on a successful use of this ability if you have successfully used this ability less than 3 times.

is giving them the gladiate day ability enough?

By that I mean, you can’t add/remove members anymore. That’s the only problem. Maybe you should put this in the passive? “You can add/remove members freely even if you are converted.”

What?

I already added a clause in for that (Royal Studies Passive)

Ohhhh, sorry. I missed that. Nice catch.