SFoL 58: Last Stand of the Righteous -- Discussion and Balance Thread

@Vulgard Is giving Noble Royal decree enough? Or do they also need disenfranchise

Probably do

It should be enough. It does kinda break the rule of ‘you can’t have more than 2 abilities in one phase’ though.
Noble doesn’t need Disenfranchise because Pull Rank secretly accomplishes the same thing if you vote the player being lynched.

The Noble

Blue Dragon Social
Royal Blood (Passive) - Votes to become king count as two for you.
Pull Rank (Day) - Your vote will count as two today. This will not be announced publicly or affect the number of votes required to reach majority. - 3 uses
Royal Decree (Day) - Resets the votes, allowing only you and your target to be put on trial for today. - 2 uses
Order (Night) - Negate the votes of a target player the next day. They can’t accuse anyone or vote tomorrow. - Infinite Uses
Rig Ballots (Night) - If target is voted up for trial tomorrow, automatically resolve it in an execution. - 0 uses
Forceful Order (Call to Arms | Night) - Negate the votes of a target player the next day. They can’t accuse anyone or vote tomorrow. You will gain a use of Rig Ballots on a successful use of this ability if you have successfully used this ability less than 3 times.

should i remove one of noble’s day abilities?

If you vote someone with Pull Rank active it’s basically the same as reducing the amount of votes required to lynch that player by 1 except you need to actually vote that player.
It’s not 100% perfect but it works. I guess players could force the player to not vote the lynch target, then put them to L-1 and see if they get lynched but that’s the only way it can be done.

4 day abilities is really excessive and something has to go. We should probably stick to the limit of 2 per phase.

so should i remove a day ability from noble or no?
if so what should i remove, dynasty’s documents?

yeah i did so

Probably Dynasty’s Documents tbh.
I’m still thinking about the gladiate. It basically forces you to claim Judge even if you were converted from Aristocrat and I’m not sure if that’s a good thing.

:thinking:

…You could just not use it though, in that scenario.
I think it’s fine now.

Yeah, I think it works. Good changes.

should I give noble Bounty?
or not needed

I think not, since it’s not the case in FoL.

ok

You’re so dedicated, it’s adorable.

Are you writing a list of changes to make in the OP as soon as you can edit again?

Kinda weird that both Unseen versions (I’m still not sure why two versions exist) are unique, but this one isn’t.

You mean the Princess or the Librarian, right? The Archivist is the Unseen Librarian.
Also, converting a Duchess into a Librarian causes some problems. You basically can’t use the log network because why would a log network suddenly appear? Though I guess you can still use the other abilities with no issues.

I’ve just realized you can potentially give scum two Princes/Wardens and that’s strong as heck.
…Not sure how it can be changed though. You could make Duke unconvertable but that ruins the purpose of giving scum the ability to jail.

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No i’m going to post a version 2 thread

don’t want to wait 18 hours to edit again

the torturer is neither unique nor guaranteed