i was one of the people who were scumreading crich day 1
and early into it
This is also true.
The three people who thought CRichardās tone was off from his early posts were:
Myself, Arete, Italy.
is that list ordered
is it possible italy picked up on his teammate being scumread and went for towncred
i donāt think heās a wolf but it feels like crichard is unlikely to be w/w with a lot of people
Itās not ordered but let me go through the beginning and see.
I mean itās possible but I think if Italy got groupscum again and rolled it with CRichard he just wouldnāt exist in the thread.
Maybe Iām lowering my bar for Italy too much.
ā¦Are you referring to this?
And this?
This isnāt even a read. Youāre not implying alignment. Youāre posting a surface-level observation, but treating it like something which should clear you.
You werenāt even the only one making similar points at the time.
It doesnāt clear you.
I think this is when Italy starts implying alignment, but it seems a little late. Took them quite some time to commit, even though the only other person they have scumread in their ISO until that point was Derps.
Iām taking this as a joke, because if it isnāt a joke, it completely contradicts Italyās earlier takes on both Derps and CRich.
This is far more committed, and also has more progression leading up to it earlier. Too bad itās on a neutral claim. 
Players get town rands the majority of the time because of how the game is designed. Which means that most of the time, actively trying to be hard to read hurts you and your faction.
Please reconsider.
Italy keeps going on about Derps instead of CRich. They seem to have far more conviction about Derps than the conviction they have about CRich. They just kinda ignore CRich after the initial suspicion, at least on day 1.
I fail to see how itās clearing. Itās nothing more than what other people have done @ CRich.
lets entertain the world where italy is frostweaver and bled derps
derps bleeding out in 1 night outs that a frostweaver exists
italy pushing to not have him healed makes him look awful
i donāt think frostweaver!italy would do that?
now ill entertain italy being groupscum and having derps bled because of the neutral claim
convincing people to not heal a neutral claim isnāt really hard, and it probably doesnāt look awful for him if he flips cult?
hmm, maybe i could see this being a world
If Italy is groupscum, heās aware that his partner is suspicious and is probably laying groundwork to possibly bus him later. Tunneling a neutral claim is easy to do as scum and makes you look productive ā plus, itās something he can waste his time on doing while he checks the thread consensus on CRich. There is only a miniscule chance that Derps could be helpful to groupscum this game (if heās trueclaiming) based on percentile stuff and whatnot.
In short, itās not like he has no reason to tunnel Derps if heās scum. To look productive, to focus on someone other than his partner, to distract people from their partner and shift the lynch into a neutral claimā¦
Iām not saying he has to be scum, Iām saying that a scum motivation could easily exist here.
I know, itās just funny how I open your ISO and your first āsuspicion of CRichā is this post.
Itās kinda weird how it happens to be on someone whoās actually scum.
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| Votee | Voted By | Votes | Tags |
|---|---|---|---|
| CRichard | Italy, clonedcheese | 2/8 | Anstreim, TheBlueElixir |
| Appelsiini | Jane, ModeShifter, Intensify | 3/8 | Jane, ModeShifter |
| an_gorta_pratai | SirDerpsAlot, Arete | 2/8 | x |
| Jane | x | 0/8 | SirDerpsAlot, Vulgard |
| Intensify | x | 0/8 | CRichard564 |
| Italy | x | 0/8 | katze |
| Anstreim | x | 0/8 | Arete |
| Vulgard | Napoleon | 1/8 | x |
| ModeShifter | Vulgard | 1/8 | x |
And Appel is a wagon becauseā¦? The fact the wagon seems so frozen strikes me as odd. Itās being voted by two neutral claims and someone I read town, so thatās even more weird. Not sure what to infer from it.
I looked over and yeah.
Arete was the first to notice it:
Though Italy had this post:
But I guess itās not really a āreadā, itās more of a joke.
And then I picked up on it as well ā but I was also a bit preoccupied with figuring SDAās āmercā shenanigans and entertaining scenarios where his claim might be true:
Also I noticed that I completely missed Nappyās question because I was tired as hell.
I still donāt think it tells us much.
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i still think appel has decent groupscum/NK equity but she was at L-3 or L-2 at some point and i think i unvoted around then
Let me stop right there and ask: Is there a world where Italy actually bleeds a Mercenary claim, since he seemed to actually believe it?
Itās somewhat of a waste, is it not? Itās a neutral claim ā which can potentially be suspected of being NK later on, not to mention that itās not really someone that is actively harmful to you (except for theoretically SG but youād have to hit that precise target in the night the Merc guards precisely them).
Whatās the point.
This is also -EV because he directly advocated against healing them. Outing your existence on a Neut claim so early into D1 seems like an absolutely horrendous play ā I doubt even Italy would consider that.
Again ā why. SG doesnāt prevent conversions, converting one of SDAās targets and weeding off the second one would basically make him a honorary scum member. Removing SDA and wasting KP on him is, once more, -EV.
It does not make sense.
imo merc claiming D1 is -EV for them even if itās one of the safer neuts to openclaim with
italy faking believing the claim and not actually believing it is plausible but i think i might be using too much hindsight since we now know the claim is fake
if i have to twist and turn this much to make this world make sense its probably not the world we live in, huh
italy v
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i should really listen to more