what if I just copypaste my notes and trust the rest of you to figure out what they mean 
this is a perfect plan with 0 flaws
i mean
i would like arete to not have an awful sleep schedule and thatās entirely unrelated to the game
but i also donāt know if they write good notes
I definitely should have noted this down when I was, you know, reading through your 1800 posts, but did you ever out what your N1 action was?
i explained it a bit earlier
but i was gonna redirect gaja but i assumed 0 poster had a higher chance of no-actioning than a low poster
katze is a wolf 
also her Iso is >1800 posts, which makes her an IRL wolf
anyways
Iām really tired (unsurprisingly, given that itās almost 5 AM) so this might not be maximally coherent, but there are a bunch of things I picked up on reading through her Iso that make me think sheās a wolf
uh if you donāt want to read the whole thing the first folder and the last folder are the most relevant, the others are like āyeah this is wolfyā but not āYOU ARE WOLF JOYCAT JOYCAT JOYCATā
I could definitely feel the confbias setting in as I read her Iso but I think Iām actually right this time
weird progression/trying to keep the PoE as wide as possible/agenda(tm)
Overall, katzeās progression on various slots this game has been extremely questionable and essentially feels like sheās trying to preserve as many mislynches as possible (while also being boxed in by her previous townreads on people)
(she adds Jane to this list in 973)
Iām mostly quoting this for reference as a āstartingā point for katzeās reads in order to track how they change
itās hard for me to be 100 percent unbiased because a lot of her weird progression was on me but I think itās pretty possible for other people to read her posts and draw the same conclusions Iām seeing?
progression on Appel
this is where she first starts considering Appel, for reasons that essentially boil down to āNappy (and Alice) scumread herā (despite previously having her as town)
heād had a long Iso on her in 2295 that came out with a townlean but itās really long so Iām not going to post the full thing
ā¦So then we get these three posts.
n.b. the above comes shortly after a reactiontest on Appel in katzeās Iso.
THESE POSTS ARE SO BAD AAAAAAAAAAAAAAA HOW DID I NOT NOTICE THIS BEFORE. Like. We have katze (in response to a reactiontest on Appel!!) saying that she might be town, then voting her, then when called out on it saying that the previous read was a joke. Like ā¦ I know kat memes a lot, but that read really does not look like a joke in-context.
I am ā¦ very tired, so at this point Iām going to start just giving post numbers from my notes and you can do the rest on your own
why did I write this section last
progression on me
okay so basically:
kat had me as town/likely town throughout most of D1 and D2
my notes specifically point out the towncore above, 2433, 5163, 5382 as posts where he repeatedly expressed this sentiment (all D1/D2)
the first place where he really questions my slot is D3, in 6423 (IIRC thatās where he first tinfoils me as NK but Iām not positive of that and at this point I just want to get this wallpost done)
6491 he lists PoE as me/Gorta/Cheese/Intensify (n.b. the D3 mislynch is not in this PoE but he doesnāt do anything really to change the wagons later)
then in 6836 and 6863 (after his RT) heās very confident that Iām never NK
then in 7335 he brings up the tinfoil when Iām MF who checked him
next two posts Iām pretty sure are important based on my notes so Iām going to actually quote them
ā¦so you would expect, based on this, that if we can only afford to bounty printer if I flip scum
and if I can only flip scum in one particular hyperspecific circumstance
that the logical conclusion would be to not lynch me
ā¦
ā¦yeah no in 9597 heās back to wanting to bounty printer, or at least being okay with a bounty printer
also 8428 is a kind of wolfy deflection of responsibility onto Napoleon when Napoleon is not responsible for katās reads
progression on Ans
God Iām so tired
anyways
the short version of this is ākatze was convinced for almost the entire game that Ans was never starting W/W with CRich, then randomly changed his mind for no clear reasonā
Iām just going to copy relevant postnumbers from my notes (I think some of the postnums might have gotten messed up, unfortunately, hopefully the posts are still findable)
1143 - suddenly scumreads Ans (who he previously had as a top townread??)
3949 - Ans town if CRich scum
5189 - Ans town based on ToL meta
5382 - has me as likely town, Ans as even higher (note: obviously the second part is the important part here)
7916 - first mention of Ans W
8339 + 8343 - fearmongering about Ans randomly bussing CRich for no reason?
10352 - pushing an MM!Ans narrative
10411 - MM is Gorta/Ans
10627 - Ans bussed CRich
like it is not at all clear how he got from āAns is town, and also never W/W with CRichā to āactually Ans is starting Mastermindā
progression on Jane
7954 - Jane is never MM - contrast with today
11450 - MM is Jane over Ans
he essentially went from āJane is never MMā to āJane is MM over Ansā with the only change being rereading the bit where the two of them donāt get to be confirm-printered
once again thereās not really a clear indication of what caused this
the thing I notice in particular about his reads on Jane and Ans is that heās pushing Ans fairly hard until there starts being meaningful resistance, then switches to Jane (who people in the thread were a lot more willing to vote)
Iām too tired to explain this properly but basically it feels like he was just trying to get one of them lynched and settled on the one that was easier
CRich interactions
This one is less ākat is a wolfā and more ākat is not necessarily clear,ā but given that this is one of the main things heās been using as an argument I figured I should probably address it? I donāt think the kat/CRich interactions clear him, the obvious reason they donāt clear him is that he could be the NK or a convert but I also ā¦ donāt think the interactions clear him
like if we look at her D1 and early D2 she was soft-defending CRich
and not taking a stance on CRich
and soft-defending CRich some more
now obviously villagers can be wrong, Appel was wrong on CRich and she was a villager, but katās been trying to use his interactions with CRich to clear him and they ā¦ donāt? Like, yes, katās followup reactiontest on CRich made him even more lockscum than he already was, but he was already pretty lockscum, and kat isnāt 100 percent anti-bussing or anything
possible TMI
less sure about this one than some of the others but a couple of katās posts stuck out to me as potential TMI
in particular:
it seems weird to me that she never once thought that hardclaiming a bounty on me could go wrong if TBE was fake
like, we hadnāt fully done a massclaim yet, itās easy to say 'Nappy would have always just handled it the next day but ā¦ me flipping V with no Bounty and kat getting shot for it doesnāt seem to be a world she even considered? not totally sure on this one since itās consistent with what she was saying about TBE in the rest of her posts but
This one is a lot more damning in my opinion ā like, katās been talking for most of the day about how Gorta is basically lock NK from her point of view, and thatās ā¦ not really consistent with that post?? like, from a V!katze PoV Gorta shouldnāt be a mislynch? this one feels like a genuine perspective slip
reactiontests (I couldn't think of a better header for this one, obviously not all RTs are wolfy)
so the thing thatās wolfy about how katās been doing reactiontests this game is that she mostly hasnāt ā¦ been doing anything with them? with the exception of her D3 RT on me (which she proceeded to ignore) she hasnāt really been using them to solve, it feels like sheās just been doing them for the sake of doing them, because itās what we expect of her
Iām too lazy to actually quote all of them since itās 5 AM in the morning, but a few I noted down post numbers for:
- 3671 - fake redcheck on Appel
- 7285 - Mauler CCing Italy
- 10575 - claiming convert with Gorta NK
- 11439 - Alice copypasta
the latter two of these are actively pointless at best, the former two could sort of have a point but she never actually does anything with them, like, sheās not really using peopleās responses to solve (to the extent she uses Appelās to solve she then ā¦ claims her read on Appel as a result was a joke??). itās not that kat never does kind of pointless RTs as a villager but when sheās a villager she usually actually looks at peopleās reactions, like in SFoL 61 the first time around when she tried to read me based on my reaction to her alch fakeclaim.
not caring at EoDs
This one is actively hard to quote posts relating to it but basically, if I re-read your posts around EoDs you donāt seem particularly ā¦ invested? ā¦ caring about? ā¦ who we actually lynch, which given that we coasted to a lynch on a villager both days with barely even a CW is kind of not a good look
Like on D2, CRich tries to quickhammer Appel and the most you say about it is āhmmm,ā on D3 youāre memeing around and self-voting at EoD
Neither of those is consistent with actually caring about the lynch, because wolves donāt have to care about either lynch ā regardless of who the wolves are, they were never in danger at EoD
her handling of today
okay I am kind of running out of energy to write this but, given that we basically always lose if we donāt lynch scum today unless we get ridiculously lucky, her essentially asking to be lynched when we canāt afford a mislynch is scummy (in the sense that itās the sort of thing wolves do because they think it looks townie to not care if they live or die, when town ā¦ cares about that)
like we pretty much need to lynch and jailexe the NK and Mastermind in some order today and tonight to have a chance
I get that she thinks being jailed with no nightkills is a bad look for (which tbf it is, regardless of her alignment) but town here should never be asking to be lynched
lolmechanics
Right now, looking at everyone in the game, the Mastermind PoE is, based purely on mechanics:
- Gorta
- Ans
- Jane
- kat
- technically TBE
and the NK PoE is
- Gorta
- kat
- technically TBE
the former is kind of wide (which is why we have things like reads ) but the latter is pretty narrow
the biggest mechanical thing going for her is the Puppeteer day ability but we actually just canāt treat everyone whoās offered to mechconfirm themself as mechconfirmed if they didnāt actually do it because that pool is everyone
also she was jailed with no nightkills
this took me like six-plus hours to write (counting time to read katās Iso)
I
am not going to have time to do all of these before EoD
I stayed up until 6:30 AM writing this, what is wrong with me
before i respond to any of this since youāll be long asleep by the time i do
go the fuck to sleep why are you awake its 6:30AM
big postcounts are NAI for me
you should know this
either way ill keep that in mind for my next wolf game, but it doesnāt change that in this town game i wrote a lot of posts
wallposts = locktown
take it back 
this was a part of the RT
how do you expect me to make someone fall for a RT if itās obviously a RT
my name is fucking katze, if thereās a shroud of doubt that what im saying is false people will assume itās false
i donāt really care if you believe me, but i assure you, that was 100% a RT
i first tinfoiled it in N2 allies chat with napoleon
this is when i first thought about the possibility that you could have TMI with me being K/O, not S/I - and it would also be the only case where you could nightkill through a HH
i donāt understand this, given i was not the one who bountied you?
we discussed a plan, and at the time i agreed that you had NK equity
going into N2 i didnāt think you had very much NK equity but there were good points brought up
me HHing you and not disagreeing to bounty you is on me, but pointing out that napoleon was a large reason why the āarete NKā read started in the first place is me pointing out fact
itās called reevaluation
also thereās clearly a reason, you pointed out the reason
the reason is right here
i reevaluated the PoE, and realized my reason for misclearing anstreim may have had a hole in it
i mentioned it in N2 allies chat as well to napoleon, but i didnāt talk about it too much there because it was only a developing thought at that point
i also wrote all 3 of these posts before reading back and realizing that i had likely miscleared jane because i misremembered things
and upon talking to napoleon iāve put away the āanstreim is MMā tinfoils
yes
because i remembered it way differently than it actually happened
i thought there were more posts from jane that came off as a similar mindset that i felt in that situation
and upon realizing there were only a few, i realized my reasoning for misclearing jane was bad
if that were my goal why even mention the possibility that anstreim might be a wolf when that is a much harder opinion to convince others of than ājane wā
i overrelied on trying to meta read someone who has never had a wolf game
this was a mistake
i try to avoid it
the only time i can think of where i was willing to do it on the forums was in vanilla nightless because getting towncred there made sense cause i couldnt be nightkilled
this is actually false
one of the post numbers that i kept referencing was in regards to me and TBE claim swapping
you obviously canāt know that but i brought it up multiple times because i started to realize that, if TBE is actually faking the bounty, iād get fucked for it
id find exactly which number it is but if i open another page then id get yelled at for āthis draft is open in another windowā and go fucking insane
more of an oversight than anything
i was (and still am) more focused on MM hunting
i (wrongly) found her reaction to this one wolfy and it was part of why i ended up sticking with the appel lynch
his reaction was fine there wasnt anything to say ā the test was mostly pointless because i conducted it
these were because i was bored and wanted to laugh
i mean
it was part of why i wanted appel
but aight
i did aaaaa
people dont give me good reactions half of the time anymore
i cant read into nothingness
because he was an outted wolf
everything he does is WIFOM
i incorrectly chose to ignore his vote
i was pretty confident italy was gonna flip W and i had little to say
nobody else was really saying anything either and i am not good at starting discussion
i am asking to NOT be jail executed
the alternative to that is likely me being incorrectly lynched
and i am saying
to do that
over the vessel losing their axes
not my fault the vessel openwolfed and wasted my day ability
if theres anything else i shoud have replied to lmk because im currently going insane because my fucking cat keeps crying at a bug and its a mild sensory overload
I still think Kat should be dying over Gorta every time here.
Iād actually prefer to lynch him today and jail/execute Jane, but TBE and Cloned have already tagged Jane so this isā¦ a thing.
Regardless, just look at Katās posts today on your own and compare them to Gortaās ā a lot of his arguments pinged me wrong. Some of them sounded like shade, a couple were LAMIST, there was also that logic of me not considering myself as an attack target and it somehow being a scumslip (which I still donāt understand whatsoever?).
I said so before but at this point Iām 70% convinced Gorta is actually legitimate and itās Kat in this situation canāt wait to be wrong and for this to bite me.
I guess Gorta could be in MM PoE but that means CRichard intentionally scumleaned and shaded him right off the bat which I still find to beā¦ unlikely?
But yeah, I would personally just:
Lynch Kat
Jail/Execute Jane
Narrow down the rest of scum tomorrow and finish the game (since there should be 2 at most, meaning as long as we get even one, itās either an instant win or the last convert eventually gets singled out).
I do think we should lynch Katze here though. It clears me of being the NK if Katze flips NK and I can possibly stop a kill tonight (in addition to Seth and Nappy). /vote Katze
I remember looking over that post (when I quoted it) and wondering about it myself because it didnāt make much sense, but I think it was late and I was going to sleep, so I didnāt follow it through.
Iām a bit surprised that very few people even questioned CRichradās attempt to hammer Appel, especially when SDA was preaching that she should still be a lynch from the side but yeah. I might need to scroll up later and see who it was precisely that swapped off from her/seriously discussed it.
Also I feel bad for you having to ISO someone with 1.8k posts.
I mean, this tinfoil somewhat makes sense, he couldāve just been re-reading your posts and theorizing, so thatās where the whole āArete is a Mind Flayer who checked meā tinfoil comes from.
The whole situation with Bounty was a mess, because at first he had a plan, but quickly realized that said plan was flawed (i.e. TBE as a theoretical N2 convert could still use Bounty, hence why it wouldnāt 100% clear him), but yeah.
I think I actually missed this bit because I donāt remember it at all, so Iām just going to go back and check that post out.
Iāve already stated why I think āGorta is MMā theory doesnāt make much sense to me.
CRichardās interactions with Kat were discussed more or less before, and I think we came to a conclusion that they could theoretically be W/W but I still think that in this situation, Kat would have to be the N1 convert ā which is a tinfoil, but a possibility. But to be honest, I donāt think their interactions tell us that much. None of them do, since CRichard was basically outed scum after my RT ā at the very start of D2.
Iām actually dissatisfied with the fact that I barely get to participate in EoDs since I āfixedā my sleeping schedule, but I noticed it as well and it has been bothering me. Both of our lynches were consensus ā I guess this could tie into our PoE not being contrarian the whole game but yeah. As I said Iāll go check out Appelās lynch/next SoD because there might possibly be something that I missed.
I think just ISOing him today would be enough, but I can point out all the posts that stuck out to me. There were quite a bit, although:
This somewhat reminds me of the Appel situation, and Appel flipped town ā but admittedly, it was at a much earlier stage of the game. Iām still unsure what to make out of this, because I can see the whole ālynch me todayā play coming from both sides.
Either a posturing NK/Convert, or actual Town unwilling to get lynched ā but I donāt think Kat is town here.
So yeah, I think this argument is more or less NAI.
Mechanics are one of the main reasons Gorta/Kat are in this PoE to begin with so yeah.
Donāt vote yet, if someone else votes then scum might potentially quickhammer if we have 3.
Also we need to wait for Intensify to confirm that he has Jane/whoever jailed if we are doing this.