SFoL 61.5 - Fortress of the Dark Deity (4/16) - Complete - The Unseen, Guardian, and Senex win!

[Italy]

die

[SirDerpsAlot]

Ie

[anon6348071]

Also I got answer from Amelia:
Apparently Senex’s win condition is revealed on death. So if Seth ever flips, we will know if he was Cult-aligned or scum-aligned.

[TheBlueElixir]

if seth is cultie senex

and we execute them, we lose a day of trials

[anon6348071]

We are not executing Seth even if he doesn’t reveal.

[TheBlueElixir]

@Amelia

• CRichard564 (pre-in)
• katze
• TheBlueElixir
• Anstreim
• Alice - Died N1 - The Witcher
• Arete (pre-in)
• Intensify
• Italy
• Napoleon
• an_gorta_pratai
• ModeShifter
• Appelsiini
• Jane
• SirDerpsAlot
• Gaja1234 Vulgard
• Clonedcheese

besides CRich, I seriously suspect none of these people

maybe CRich was onto something in his readslist

[Vulgard]

Town:

TBE
katze
Anstreim
Arete

Jane

These people are town, from my perspective. Jane I feel the least strongly about and am the most likely to re-evaluate later. It’s possible there is a convert among them, but highly unlikely, at least where I currently stand.

intensify
sirderpsalot
modeshifter

Lolneutclaims. I’m willing to say Seth is a town-aligned Senex based on the posts of his which I’ve seen, but he needs to use his ability.

Wolves / PoE:

an_gorta
appel

I don’t have strong opinions there just yet. The wagons smell like TvT, but I have tangible reasons to townread many other people and I don’t have strong reasons to townread them. I don’t think Appel is NK. I will have to read her d2 posts to figure out if she can be groupscum. It’s not impossible for her to be converted, given her pretty good showing in Short Fuse V.

Cloned

This guy literally claimed Scorned, and his posts have been unimpressive. I do think he’s been doing his towntell, which is why I wouldn’t lynch him today, but I can’t reasonably take him out of the PoE if he continues to disappoint. With all due respect.

Napoleon

King. I think it’s more likely he’s town than it is likely for him to be scum, but again. I need to figure it out by deepreading them.

I think there definitely has to be a wolf (1+) among the neut claims. We have three neut claims and only 1-2 slots for non-killer neuts.

[TheBlueElixir]

@Vulgard

sirderpsalot

did he not retract his merc claim

[katze]

most of the posts ive written as to why i don't like appels slot

@katze

@Appelsiini

Okay, I’ve caught up

First of all, why is CRich alive after that RT

hot take: this post sucks
its D2 ofc we didnt quickhammer that soon???

@katze

@Appelsiini

Should I try to care more about my image

I’m not really putting that much effort/hours into my reads but I also don’t think I’d fancy getting mislynched

i guess ill actually say why i think this post sucks

if you’re town you should care about your image to the extent that you’re unlikely to be mislynched because you being mislynched is generally -EV for town because scum need mislynches to win and i’d imagine if you’re town you don’t want scum to win

you not wanting to spend hours on reads is fine, but you openly saying you don’t care about your image is ??? imo

@katze

hmm, i was thinking that her random concern with survival makes a bit of sense from a NK PoV (especially after napoleon started calling her out for being NK) since they obviously need to be alive to win

@katze

@anon6348071

I don’t see a world where anyone would actually think that Intensify’s post was implying it was Unseen game

thats my problem with the post

it doesn’t make sense to RT someone over a thing like that?

@Appelsiini

…Well, it was an attempt of a RT but now I don’t know how to continue because it would feel stupid.

and then they just

“yeah idk what to do with this”

@Appelsiini

I just wanted to see their reaction, mostly because Jane said they don’t trust Intensify and I wanted to see if there was any reason to since I don’t think I’ve interacted with them myself yet. I didn’t have a reveal planned? I didn’t think too much of it.

still don’t think this makes very much sense either

@katze

but its so blatantly obvious what intensify meant

there’s like, no world where you can possibly interpret it differently

@katze

@Appelsiini

…Excuse me for feeling pressured when my attempt to do something instead of defending myself got immediately shot down and put on the spot.

if you’re town why are you so pressured that you’re scumread

ngl i thought i wrote a few paragraphs on why i dislike appel

i faked a redcheck on them (a RT i prepared start of day to look real) and their results were okay

Summary

@katze

scumslips aren’t real

redchecks are

/vote Appelsiini

@katze

@katze

i did a thing last night that also gave me an interesting result

@katze

i may or may not know who killed alice

@katze

that is a hardclaim

i literally alluded to having a redcheck at the start of the day

@Appelsiini

Oh wait
You mean you redchecked me?

@Appelsiini

Well, I’m not scum. That’s all I can say to that, I believe.

@katze

appel, your claim is not a defense so don’t even think about that

if you are town, why do i have a check on you that’s either

A: You visited Alice last night
B: You are a member of the Blue Dragon or Unseen

@Appelsiini

Alright, let’s believe this is not RT.

In that case:

1. You’re either Scorned or
2. I have been framed by one

Even if CRich is objectively the better target, then one of these has happened.

@katze

if i were scorned why would i have faked a townread on you overnight just to redcheck you

@Appelsiini

Because otherwise it would be too obvious. Your strategy could just be that you have ‘re-evaluated’ and started pushing me really aggressively, and now you feel like outing your redcheck has a good chance of getting me killed.

@katze

i see

so, reactiontest over

why do you think i just did that?

@Appelsiini

To see my reaction
To help me prove my alignment by having more AI content since I had troubles doing things.

@katze

and how do you think you did?

@katze

@Appelsiini

Oh wait

You mean you redchecked me?

additionally, why did you write the post the way you did

what was your thought process behind it

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@katze

and how do you think you did?

I suppose I said what anyone else would’ve said in that situation. So good?

@katze

@Appelsiini

Oh wait

You mean you redchecked me?
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additionally, why did you write the post the way you did

what was your thought process behind it

I actually didn’t process this at first. I just absent-mindedly read it while being annoyed and didn’t realise the indication

shrug

posting this now so i can get this “Draft is being edited in another window. Please reload this page.” shit to stop

[Vulgard]

To put this in order:

Arete
TBE
katze
Anstreim

Jane

ModeShifter

Intensify
SirDerpsALot

Clonedcheese
Appelsiini
an_gorta_pratai

If wagons are W/W, it would explain why they seem frozen, actually. That’s one thing to consider.

TBA: Napoleon

[TheBlueElixir]

@Vulgard

This guy literally claimed Scorned

you know how this game was re-rolled

in the first game he was scorned

[TheBlueElixir]

@Vulgard

Town:

TBE

town gang town gang

[Vulgard]

I literally forgot about Italy’s existence, and I’m not taking CRich into the equation because he’s apparently a confirmed wolf.

Italy can go sit in PoE below Derps.

[Italy]

does this mean you nullread me

[Vulgard]

@TheBlueElixir

you know how this game was re-rolled

in the first game he was scorned

And I don’t care. He either becomes actively villagery or gets lynched / mislynched.

[anon6348071]

@Vulgard

Napoleon

If you go and read his ISO, I feel like it becomes fairly obvious that Napoleon is always Cult King.
The things he has done this game make no sense from scum perspective at all – his RT on me is a good example. I’m also a little bit biased since I had a chance to discuss a few things with him in Allies, and that solidified my certainty that he’s never scum.

Also Cloned’s Scorned claim was more or less of a joke, though his D1 was somewhat similar to the previous game where he indeed rolled Scorned.
I can agree with most other things.

[anon6348071]

I was about to ask about that but I had a feeling you just forgot him.

[Vulgard]

@Italy

does this mean you nullread me

And you wonder why I want to get you killed in every game we play together.

[Italy]

except for the one game where i roll scum and you’re literally given the power to kill me and specifically me

[Vulgard]

@Vulgard

If wagons are W/W, it would explain why they seem frozen, actually. That’s one thing to consider.

Like, none of them have self-pressed on each other until now. It’s kinda weird.

I’m waiting for them to get back into the thread so I can see how they react to things.