SFoL 61.5 - Fortress of the Dark Deity (4/16) - Complete - The Unseen, Guardian, and Senex win!

[ChopChop]

CRichard is more likely to be scum buddies with Arete then Anstreim or TBE.

[katze]

“katze is relaxed” was a valid method of reading me in like, my first 3 FM games

and then i taught arete that it was a bad method in ToSFM :^)

[ChopChop]

Hello Bud!

[Jane]

Unless they converted Arete (assuming Arete isn’t NK), I highly doubt that.

[anon6348071]

Again, I highly doubt that you would ever allow him to do any of the things he has done this game.
But look at most of his readlist on D1. It’s full of equally ‘great’ reasons to SR/SL people.

[ChopChop]

@Jane

Unless they converted Arete (assuming Arete isn’t NK), I highly doubt that.

Do you think your more likely starting scum with CRichard then Arete?

[Jane]

No, because I’m not scum.

[ChopChop]

@anon6348071

Again, I highly doubt that you would ever allow him to do any of the things he has done this game.
But look at most of his readlist on D1. It’s full of equally ‘great’ reasons to SR/SL people.

Exactly and if you were scum with him I don’t think you’d EVER let him him do what he did.

[anon6348071]

If I got scum as my second game and I got it with CRichard I would probably just /out
Not really but I think I would be better than letting him self-destruct as well.

[anon6348071]

Also I would probably warn him about RT if we were buds since I was in Allies on N1.
And he literally crumbled down under that RT.

[katze]

@CRichard564

katze - Tempted to put this as town. Though her reputation for memeing precedes her and is NAI.

weak read, kind of thread consensus that my memeing was NAI

@CRichard564

TheBlueElixir - This is my strongest town read as of now. His playstyle is indistinguishable from his previous town games with him.

basically just a thread consensus read

@CRichard564

• Anstreim - Town lean based on his paranoia regarding my slot.

result is thread consensus although the reasoning isn’t

@CRichard564

Arete (pre-in) - Personally he is a slight scum lean because he scum read me same as Napoleon on flimsy grounds.

hmm

this is a weak OMGUS but its not a thread consensus read iirc?

@CRichard564

That Arete is a town read as he was the 1st to pounce on my tone. I don’t think Arete would care so much about my scummy tone if they were scum themselves.

and then turns around on it later

i think this is a weak pocket attempt

@CRichard564

Intensify - Non poster so null read.

@CRichard564

• Gaja1234 - Non poster so null read obviously.

cant like, do anything with these

@CRichard564

Italy - He seems to be trying harder than he did in his previous game in SFoL 61. Slightly village though I’ll keep an eye on this slot as this can easily go into PoE.

this is basically exactly what the thread consensus was lmao

@CRichard564

• an_gorta_pratai - Hasn’t done much so in my PoE.

kinda thread consensus read

@CRichard564

Jane - Slightly town lean based on her posts so far.

hmm

very weak read, and i don’t remember the general consensus opinion on jane at that time

@CRichard564

Clonedcheese - In my PoE due to their bad entrance joke claiming Scorned D1.

also kind of weak/consensusy read

this readlist literally has like 0 takes on it

its the safest readlist ever

[anon6348071]

@katze

this is a weak OMGUS but its not a thread consensus read iirc?

I think during D1 most of us nullread/slightly TL’d Arete.
So yeah, this is probably just OMGUS – which is supported by his interactions with them.

[katze]

like

i think the only reads that have any substance to them are just

arete and maybe anstreim because its like the only read with a non-thread consensus reason to it???

and maybe jane cause i forgot what the thread thought about him

i don’t think arete is w/w with crich but i also didn’t think that before so

[katze]

i cant tell if the anstreim read is a pocket attempt or actually w/w

probably the former

[Napoleon]

I don’t know… hmm

[anon6348071]

Actually, this is what I have from D1.

[katze]

clearly we should kill cloned for TRing crichard /s

[Jane]

ayaya

clonedcheese town spew

@CRichard564

@clonedcheese

fuck
I rolled scorned again

/vote katze

@CRichard564

Tinfoil: Cheese claimed scorned so people wouldn’t think he is scorned.

@CRichard564

@clonedcheese

fuck
I rolled scorned again

/vote katze

This is a strange entrance if he is town.

@clonedcheese

@Arete

wow I can’t believe you’d say that about @ N.1

uh
yike

The more I read his posts, the less I like them. It has ToS 2 shades when he was starting coven.

@TheBlueElixir

scorned scorned scorned

i already claimed scorned lmao
if someone wants to lynch katze and Jane for me that’d be great

Based on this post and the previous posts, he is a scum lean now.

@CRichard564

@Arete

@CRichard564

Based on this post and the previous posts, he is a scum lean now.

Alright

Talk to me about this

Why does that post (and his previous posts) make him a scumlean for you

He seems to be trying too hard to be noticed with this sort of post. He disappeared
That’s why I don’t like his entrance so far.

@CRichard564

@Arete

Hm

these points seem to contradict each other (trying to be noticed vs. disappearing)

can you expand on that

Cheese made a suspicious post claiming D1 scorned right out the gate saying that Katze and Jane are to be lynched.
Then after the spotlight was shined on him, he then claimed he has real life getting in the way and stopped posting for a while.
I’m not saying he isn’t lying about real life getting in the way, yet I find his entrance very odd from how I remember him playing.

@CRichard564

His entrance seems out of character from how I’ve seen him play in previous games with him. That’s why he is in my PoE as shown above.

Arete town spew

@CRichard564

It’s interesting that Arete admits he’s confbiasing, yet he thinks my tone is off. I was suspected for the same reasons last game was I not?

@CRichard564

Arete’s entrance into the game seems odd from how I remember him playing. My last game with him as town I didn’t see him enter the way he did this game. He is a slight scum lean from that alone.

@CRichard564

@Arete

CRich did you finally get a scum game

They didn’t open with this question in my previous game with them. This could be an attempt to put attention on my slot so that people would look at them less.

@Arete

/vote CRich

Again this is unexpected behavior based on my previous game with them.

@CRichard564

@Arete

is it just because I’m pushing you

Not just that. It’s because your push is based on tone, when that is NAI concerning me.

@CRichard564

Arete admitted they are conf biased on my slot, so the fact they think Appel’s defence of me is bad is no surprise at all.

@CRichard564

Yes to both questions. I still don’t like their entrance one bit.

@CRichard564

Yet you don’t think the last time I responded to a push by SL/SR is any less town from previous games?
I have it on record you are conf biased on my slot.

@CRichard564

That any reads you have on my slot aren’t going to change no matter how many towny things I’ve done in the past, now and the future.

@CRichard564

To you? Obviously nothing I say or do will ever convince you once you’ve made up your mind.
Hopefully everyone else will see through this and see that I’m town being scum read for the wrong reasons.

@CRichard564

Based on your word and entrance? You admitted in your own words you are conf biased against me.
Does this remind you of anything?

@Arete

at this point I’m definitely confbiasing but CRich’s tone is

So in your own words, why should anyone else believe your read on me when this is on record you are biased against my slot?

@CRichard564

What shade? He has done this as town. So I chalk it up to Seth being Seth.

Anstreim shade

@CRichard564

@anon6348071

Myself.

Ans you did scum read me last and yet I was town. Any reason why this is different now?

katze shade

@CRichard564

Where is Katze? She was posting something and she took off.

@CRichard564

Summary

@CRichard564

Gorta, Derps and cheese.

@CRichard564

Gorta is inactive and hasn’t done much so far. This might be NAI though I’m not sure right now.
Derps fake claimed Merc and then took it back. I don’t like his slot at all.
Cheese same reason as Gorta.

@CRichard564

• CRichard564 (pre-in) - Town although I understand some are going to disagree.
• katze - Tempted to put this as town. Though her reputation for memeing precedes her and is NAI.
• TheBlueElixir - This is my strongest town read as of now. His playstyle is indistinguishable from his previous town games with him.
• Anstreim - Town lean based on his paranoia regarding my slot.
• Alice - Slight village pings from this slot.
• Arete (pre-in) - Personally he is a slight scum lean because he scum read me same as Napoleon on flimsy grounds.
• Intensify - Non poster so null read.
• Italy - He seems to be trying harder than he did in his previous game in SFoL 61. Slightly village though I’ll keep an eye on this slot as this can easily go into PoE.
• Napoleon - I’m conflicted on this slot. It’s tempting to say his pushiness earlier makes him look like GK, he can easily fake this as EK. Slight village read though I’m paranoid about this slot being a power wolf.
• an_gorta_pratai - Hasn’t done much so in my PoE.
• ModeShifter - I’m slightly town leaning this as he is acting similar to his town self in ToS 2. Though i’d like to see more from this slot.
• Appelsiini - Town leaning this slot based on her contrarian reads similar to previous game
  SFoL 61. Her hedginess on the other hand means she isn’t quite a town read.
• Jane - Slightly town lean based on her posts so far.
• SirDerpsAlot - Claimed mercenary then retracted it. Bleeding D1. This is in my PoE.
• Gaja1234 - Non poster so null read obviously.
• Clonedcheese - In my PoE due to their bad entrance joke claiming Scorned D1.

@CRichard564

I’ve been catching up on 700 posts so far.
So far Derps is still in my PoE because of his Mercenary claim and retraction. The only way I trust his slot is from his flip, unless he can be mechanically confirmed.
Intensify has shown up. His entrance didn’t stand out to me for any reason so he goes into the PoE.
Gaja is slanking again therefore still a null read.
Alice’s lack of activity is starting to make me concerned on her slot. It could be real life though her disappearance from this thread is making me reconsider my read on her slot.

:eyes:

@CRichard564

If there is one thing I’m certain Derps isn’t lying about, it’s that they are bleeding. What they are I can only guess.

@Intensify

For CRich
His responses are very aggressive once we started to conclude he was scum. On one hand, this feels like the desperation of a wolf trying to defend himself from being night 1 jail exed, but then on the other hand, he might just be town trying to defend himself. A lot of people also seemed to push on him a lot, which seemed odd to me

@CRichard564

Intensify if you’ve read through my games, you’d know I have a history of being aggressive when being pushed. Shall I refer you to ToS 2 so you know what I’m talking about?

@CRichard564

Intensify look at the 1st 1000+ posts when I started to get pushed in this game.

I think Intensify ignoring this question from CRich is slightly V indicative?

It was near EoD though, but they didn’t really seem to care about it.

That “I want to see till tmrw” could’ve been a coincidence, I guess, but I still highly doubt they’re Apostle.

[anon6348071]

@katze

i cant tell if the anstreim read is a pocket attempt or actually w/w

I think the difference between his read on me/Arete might come from the fact that Arete pushed him directly while I was mostly commenting from the side because I was also discussing SDA at that moment.
But at the same time, Italy noted his tone as well, and what Italy gets is:

@CRichard564

Italy - He seems to be trying harder than he did in his previous game in SFoL 61. Slightly village though I’ll keep an eye on this slot as this can easily go into PoE.

[katze]

the italy read is copy paste from what everybody else was saying

basically word for word