SFoL 61.5 - Fortress of the Dark Deity (4/16) - Complete - The Unseen, Guardian, and Senex win!

[anon6348071]

@an_gorta_pratai

and you should know that from my game history

No I should not because I don’t spectate games with you, don’t rely on meta, and this is literally my second game with you.
That argument doesn’t really make sense – being hard on Alice is… understandable, I guess, she plays both scum and town well – but being paranoid about Vulgard sounds like a joke.
Vulgard is literally the most obvious town when he is town, and when he gets scum he just slips on his own words. You should know that from his game history – not to mention that I literally mentioned it myself:

@anon6348071

Vul, I know that you try to solve as any alignment but I’ve seen your play in Nightless and I’ve seen your play in that FoL where you claimed a D1 Mercenary as a Cult Leader.
I’m not qualified to judge because I’m not a regular player , but that was a preface to saying “If you were scum, I feel like you would’ve already slipped on something or became obvious” – which is why my next line is:

@anon6348071

I think scum Vulgard wouldn’t approach the game this way – especially since his slot is under suspicion of being CRichard’s scumbuddy.

It’s more of a perspective read (which seems to be an actually good way to read people as is demonstrated by the last game). Because people scumread you rather easily in the games I mentioned above – and I think I would probably notice it as well.

[an_gorta_pratai]

I have played Anime FM, Ritual Mafia 4, Hell in the Cell D6, Insurgency, SFoL 60, SFoL 61 (partially), and bastard++. Hopefully I am not missing any

[clonedcheese]

im absolutely confused ;-;

@EVERYONE

MASSCLAIM TIME

[katze]

if we do NKA under the impression that arete mechanically can’t be the NK, so they didnt kill vulgod

who attacks vulgard n2?

@clonedcheese

im absolutely confused ;-;

@EVERYONE

MASSCLAIM TIME

we’re beyond that

[anon6348071]

I’ll only openclaim if Napoleon decides it’s appropriate.
But eh, at this point it’s basically obvious.

[an_gorta_pratai]

The current thing I am conflicted on with Italy is that a bleed could be fakeable, but Italy is actually playing and they could only be the convert or claiming the bleed as MM. I think someone is miscleared

[anon6348071]

Let me get his readlist.

[clonedcheese]

i want to get everyone’s hardclaims

or at least someone give me a claims list

[an_gorta_pratai]

Hell, I am probably misclearing someone

[Jane]

sigh

There is ONE NK Arete can’t mechanically be, why are we assuming that clears them of being NK?

[Intensify]

I think Italy is fine, you guys kept saying the bleed would have been a waste, so I am not sure if Italy would do such a thing.

[anon6348071]

@Vulgard

Town:

TBE
katze
Anstreim
Arete

Jane

These people are town, from my perspective. Jane I feel the least strongly about and am the most likely to re-evaluate later. It’s possible there is a convert among them, but highly unlikely, at least where I currently stand.

intensify
sirderpsalot
modeshifter

Lolneutclaims. I’m willing to say Seth is a town-aligned Senex based on the posts of his which I’ve seen, but he needs to use his ability.

Wolves / PoE:

an_gorta
appel

I don’t have strong opinions there just yet. The wagons smell like TvT, but I have tangible reasons to townread many other people and I don’t have strong reasons to townread them . I don’t think Appel is NK. I will have to read her d2 posts to figure out if she can be groupscum. It’s not impossible for her to be converted, given her pretty good showing in Short Fuse V.

Cloned

This guy literally claimed Scorned, and his posts have been unimpressive. I do think he’s been doing his towntell, which is why I wouldn’t lynch him today, but I can’t reasonably take him out of the PoE if he continues to disappoint. With all due respect.

Napoleon

King. I think it’s more likely he’s town than it is likely for him to be scum, but again. I need to figure it out by deepreading them.

I think there definitely has to be a wolf (1+) among the neut claims. We have three neut claims and only 1-2 slots for non-killer neuts.

Along with:

@Vulgard

To put this in order:

Arete
TBE
katze
Anstreim

Jane

ModeShifter

Intensify
SirDerpsALot

Clonedcheese
Appelsiini
an_gorta_pratai

If wagons are W/W, it would explain why they seem frozen, actually. That’s one thing to consider.

TBA: Napoleon

[Arete]

If I were a non-Mind Flayer NK, then Vul wouldn’t be dead (because katze)

if I were a Mind Flayer NK, then Cloned would be dead (because Happy Hour + Redirection)

[katze]

@Jane

There is ONE NK Arete can’t mechanically be, why are we assuming that clears them of being NK?

well

i HHed them last night and there doesnt seem to be a missing nightkill

[anon6348071]

All of the NKs but one (?) are occupy immune. HH removes that occupy immunity and occupies them, if they were redirected as anything else they would just be occupied and not kill anyone.
And Vulgard died.

[anon6348071]

Wait I thought it’s only empowered Mind Flayer that would get redirected under HH?

[Jane]

Wait… did I misread something?

[clonedcheese]

everyone’s talking in ToL terms that i dont know ;-;
halp

[Arete]

if I were inexplicably-non-empowered MF then the ‘Vul wouldn’t be dead’ thing still applies

[katze]

if arete is MM then they hard fucking bussed crichard and… very unlikely

arete could be convert but thats not really our priority