SFoL 66: Old Ruins FoL 2 - The Blue Dragon and The Mercenary are Victorious! (11/16)

[Aelin]

God I wish
Hot water only stays on for like forty minutes though

[Aelin]

I got some “strawberries and cream” shampoo and it makes my hair smell so nice I love it
It’s so much better than smelling like “blue”

[WindwardAway]

oh RIP, then don’t take a 2 hours shower lol
but strawberries and cream shampoo, heck yeah!

[Aelin]

What the hell is “Phoenix” supposed to smell like, anyway? Fire? Smoke? Nope! Just… “blue”.

[Wazza]

1 hour and 30 minutes remain

[EliThePsycho]

aelin's case

@Aelin

@EliThePsycho

towny on first gut :^)

some of his other posts are scummy tho

Blatant hedge. Remembering Eli from SFoL, he was definitely afraid to go too deep into reads too early (until we started bussing Ghana), because he knows that if he gets pushback he’ll lock up.

objection
it’s not a hedge because i’m saying
“this post is towny, his other posts are scummy”
meanwhile a hedge is saying
“idk man this guy is scum but also might be town??”

@Aelin

Awkwardness in thread is highly evident

objection
like gghana said that’s more comfortableness than akwardness

@Aelin

1 and 2 are both :wowee: moments that feel a lot more like something he feels he should be saying rather than actual thoughts
they’re dead because they were killed
but noooo he’s town
the tone doesn’t match up between the first two and the last one so it’s hard to think it was joking, either

objection
1 and 2 are jokes.
3 is not

@Aelin

None of this matches up, because he apparently 1. read thread, because he had to in order to know king elections were over and lol was king, and went through the argument of royal blood, but then apparently also missed the argument of royal blood and also didn’t read through thread???

i knew lol was king because he had a king symbol next to VC
y’know maybe i should have said that earlier

@Aelin

doesn’t provide content because he hasn’t read thread… but we just saw that he had to have 1. read thread or 2. had someone tell him about what’s going on in thread

false
i just disproved that

@Aelin

@EliThePsycho

gghana is putting in a suprising amount of effort

i don’t know if this is town ai or scum ai

still doesn’t give a take
ghana putting in effort isn’t actually too crazy, ghana is always loud

yeah i realized this when u quoted this post
this is completely fair

[quote=“Aelin, post:2564, topic:87399”]

@EliThePsycho

@PokemonKidRyan

Like, why is being pissed a town thing? I don’t understand their perspective.
[/quote]

probably because

@cheese

i buy it

tries to help out but does absolutely nothing

i’ll explain this in next part

@Aelin

@EliThePsycho

ok fair

however (and playing devils advocate here)
i think what he’s saying is he thinks them being pissed is geniune

unnecessarily confusing, and he hasn’t given a read on ghana yet so the idea of playing devil’s advocate doesn’t really make sense here?

1. how are these two things related
2. I say I’m playing devils advocate because I don’t want people to die from literally horrible logic
   of course, cheese can die for other reasons, but

@Aelin

@EliThePsycho

after reading the first ~200 posts, i have come to a conclusion

down with the patriarchy
/vote lol @Wazza

@EliThePsycho

down with the patriarchy

@EliThePsycho

i’m voting lol because i have no idea what BD class instantly takes the throne

@EliThePsycho

therefore, they must be non-BD

therefore, they must be killed

@EliThePsycho

it doesn’t instantly take the throne

if wazza did that, that’d be dum

there’s a major logic flaw present in this argument
why would only evils be able to do this, considering that would just out them as evil? It seems more like he found an angle he liked and started pushing it.

can’t argue against this one either
i realized this a few minutes later
whenever i unvoted i think?

@Aelin

both the tone of this is awkward, but it’s phrased as if he’s trying to be helpful rather than literally just sidetracking conversation

there was no conversation
how am i sidetracking conversation

@Aelin

he’s also apparently willing to go dozens of edits back in logs to find this, but literally just missed the base possessor being able to do it as well?

i didn’t miss base poss
we already knew poss had the power, that’s why i didn’t mention it

@Aelin

@EliThePsycho

counterpoint

I’ve been here for exactly 2 hours

@EliThePsycho

/vote EVO

also apparently he hasn’t posted today at all
so

“I’ve only been here two hours, that’s not enough time to do anything”
This… doesn’t make sense? The fuck?
And then votes a no-poster because
that makes sense

see
what you missed here (with the first post)
is that GGhana called me frozen
and that was my counter
and I voted EVO because he hasn’t posted at all
which suggests frozen wolf boxed in hehe

@Aelin

@EliThePsycho

counterpoint

EVO has not posted at all D2.
even if it’s made by a wolf (who, in this case, would be Pikamee) it’d probably be bussing

@EliThePsycho

what i’m trying to say is

“even if the pusher is wolf, we still get a wolf out probably”

This thought doesn’t make sense? Like, in any way, shape, or form? He’s magically jumped over to the conclusion that despite no-posting, EVO is scum. So, he’s not just doing this for pressure. He actually thinks EVO is scum.

see the above

@Aelin

Doesnt make sense? He doesn’t make a read on this either

of course i don’t
i didn’t remember anything from him

@Aelin

@EliThePsycho

why would they convert akip they’re smarter than that reee

huh???

judging by the marl kill
assuming it came from groupscum
Unseen (in this case) would be smarter than to convert Akip, because they were smart enough to kill marl

@Aelin

@EliThePsycho

• evo is good enough

This doesn’t mean anything

no i’m saying his evo scum is perfectly justified

@Aelin

big quote
says nothing directly to it

actually I didn’t mean to quote the whole post there

[quote=“Aelin, post:2564, topic:87399”]

@EliThePsycho

@PokemonKidRyan

I feel like their reads were kinda not something that could be argued or discussed much with and so it was weird to me? It kinda was just like one and done.
[/quote]

that’s
blatantly false
you can argue with it, because you can ask him more about it, and this post doesn’t do that

looking at the reads
no, you really can’t
all you can do is ask him to elaborate and even then he has the “fair warning that i tend to suck at reading tho”

objection
you can do that. that’s… discussing it
you can also discuss the merit of his reads

[quote=“Aelin, post:2564, topic:87399”]

@EliThePsycho

@PokemonKidRyan

Like, why is being pissed a town thing? I don’t understand their perspective.
[/quote]

as i said earlier
he believes they were geniunely angy

okay
why is that town AI?

genuinely = genuine emotion = townie
or smth
idk i picked that up from some other nerds in another match
and it was like eevee i think, or somebody on a similar skill level
so i went with it

@Aelin

So you didn’t bother looking for it yourself?

no of course not
do you expect me to do that for a (relatively) little post?

@Aelin

This is all just basic level one takes where he doesn’t even look like he’s really trying to address PKR’s slot at all, despite voting him, and doesn’t go out on his own to do any real work, either? In all of this post he doesn’t really give any takes, either, just comments and comments.

actually i’m basically rebutting his case
and saying why it’s bad
same thing here

@Aelin

He’s used devil’s advocate already in this game , so he knows what it means

actually i had a vaugie idea of it
i thought i used it properly but at that point i wasn’t sure

@Aelin

awkward, self-conscious tone.

you sure about that?
i think opposite

@Aelin

seemingly for the memes

yes it was for the memes
also if like 80% of the town have already determined on a dota lynch and nothing is going on
what could possibly go wrong with a quickhammer

@Aelin

he doesn’t contribute anything to the conversation, either

eh
idk what this means so can’t argue

@Aelin

he doesn’t really know what to do considering he doesn’t have any base to build off of, so he keeps trying to just bounce questions back to people rather than giving his own answers

tbh i don’t know what this means either

in conclusion
your case is bad except for like 2 points

[EliThePsycho]

so what’s cracking

[Wazza]

Day ends in 1 hour and 10 minutes.

[PokemonKidRyan]

Oh heck, I got prodded.
I guess I shouldn’t be too surprised.

I thought I did the required number of posts. So I guess I’ve waited too long inbetween posts, oops.

[Wazza]

50 minutes remain.

[Wazza]

(Day Actions are disabled in 35 minutes btw)

[EliThePsycho]

vote count
joycat joycat joycat

[WindwardAway]

Eli and dota are tied for votes right now, aren’t they?

[WindwardAway]

@Wazza

Vote Count

Accused	Voters	Number
dota	cheese, Zone_Q11, GGhana	3/8
EliThePsycho	Aelin, lol , WindwardAway	3/8
Akip	Pikamee, EVO	2/8
EVO	PokemonKidRyan	1/8
Pikamee	Akip	1/8
Not voting	an_gorta_pratai, dota, EliThePsycho, Italy	4

here

[EliThePsycho]

self-pres
/vote dota

[GGhana]

ping wazza

[EliThePsycho]

/vote dota @Wazza

[WindwardAway]

you gotta ping Wazza for the vote to count

[PokemonKidRyan]

This votecount is so peaceful it’s weird.
What’s everyone’s thoughts for where they want to be at EoD/

[EliThePsycho]

ye i realized 2 seconds after