[SFoL] SFoL 53: Looming Threat - Completed

[Emilia]

I get it

[PoisonedSquid]

[Wazza]

@Vulgard

I never thought Kyo was Town nor Scum before the lynch switched.
Dude, I literally thought Kyo was scum before I actually realised what Kyo was doing 2 days ago

…Wazza?

Did I actually catch him there?

No, you realy didn’t. I would like you to start understanding things.

@Vulgard

/unvote

Wazza is now in Astand category.

Here is when Kyo first starts townreading Wazza, apparently. Pretty sudden, huh?

Ah yes, using someone elses actions as evidence, I love that.

@Vulgard

Wazza starts harddefending Kyo, using the same crutch Kyo has been using. ‘Why would you do that as scum.’ I have debunked it numerous times - scum can and will level. And now that we know one of the scum Omega Actions relies on town voting town, Kyo’s actions begin to make perfect sense.

Yes, because I believed he was Town, hell I still wouldn’t be surprised if he was a dead towny right now. Because that’s what I believe, and I don’t give a shit what you think here. Besides, I want you to realise who else was doing that, Derps.

@Vulgard

EW. I hate this post so much. He’s trying so hard to make Kyo look better. He’s not even defending Kyo, just trying to make him look better because he probably knows the lynch will be cleaned.

Maybe I’m getting confbiased here but this post really strikes me as scummy.

Want to know what else I hate? You. Anyway, the thing that you clearly don’t understand is that at the time, I wanted Squid to take their fucking time as I know Squid personally and how angry they can get, and as a friend I really don’t want Squid to have to do that. So stop taking things out of context. That message was an irl me getting annoyed at Kyo for his actions. I know how busy Squid was at the time. Sorry that I decide to help a friend.

@Vulgard

This is about Squid. Another EW.

Using your reads on other people that another person disagrees with is not how you should be playing.

@Vulgard

I feel like scum writes these posts way more frequently than town does.

I’ve written this post (Or a type of post) before. And I usually do this as Town, besides. My town meta is also my scum meta so, don’t even try it.

@Vulgard

Why would you hate townreading someone as town?

Because, I hate feeling like people are Town from a post. It was not me townreading Squid, it was me reading one of Squid’s posts as Town. Learn to tell the difference.

@Vulgard

I suppose in some situations it might be annoying, but Wazza… didn’t really have a basis for that feeling.

Yes, yes I really did. And this is the main flaw in your argument. My gut feelings have existed a lot, and I want you to look back on some of my posts and think about things logically.

@Vulgard

This feels like he’s annoyed she looks like town now, or he’s trying to townread her so he can convince her not to attack Kyo.

Once again, I’m reading ONE of her fucking posts as a townie post, you do that sometimes, so don’t fucking try that as evidence, it’s just hypocritical and extremely stupid.

@Vulgard

Either way I don’t quite believe there is a town motivation within that post.

Either way, you’re using your power as a Town Leader to motivate people to vote me intensely. So, yeah. I wouldn’t be surprised if you were scum.

@Vulgard

He is relying really hard on us not knowing what Arete learned at the end of D2. Given what we learned, this line of reasoning in Wazza’s accusations is scummy as hell.

I’ve stated multiple times that I have had no clue what Arete’s things said. I read some of them, and ignored the rest as I could not be assed reading them at the time. So, may I ask, how am I relying on you guys not knowing something that I REPEATED MULTIPLE TIMES AND QUOTED THE POST OFF SO YOU GUYS COULD CHECK THE ENTIRE POST, I was trying to bring your attention to it.

@Vulgard

I understand that he might look really scummy because he didn’t know and dug himself into a hole

I really can’t be assed with your arguments anymore, they aren’t even arguments, you are just saying that you can understand things, if you’re trying to scumread me, don’t say you can understand if something happens.

@Vulgard

He is still trying to make Kyo look better and correcting his posts. Why? Why is he ignoring the fact they are scummy if he seems to think they are scummy? Why would he want to stop/correct Kyo if he did not find these posts very scummy? Why is he fixing Kyo’s reputation for him?

Wouldn’t I do this in a scumchat instead? Additionally, I was doing this because Marshal said multiple times that he didn’t telepathy Luxy, and instead telepathied Shurian. And it was annoying me that Kyo was trying to steer things away.

@Vulgard

I don’t believe this is a town-motivated defense. Town doesn’t know Kyo’s alignment and shouldn’t ignore these signs. In fact, Wazza is obviously not ignoring the signs of Kyo being scummy - he is aware of them and yet he is intentionally ignoring them.

Town doesn’t know my alignment, yet because I townreaded Kyo, I defended them. You don’t know my alignment, yet you scum read me, so you go against me. We are doing the same things. And also, I was intentionally ignoring them. That, I can admit, why? Because I had a motivation to do so, and that motivation was the mechanical part of the argument, and the ability of Arete’s (which I learn later on down the line when Kyo gets a lot more scummier)

@Vulgard

His interactions with Kyo feel lukewarm and weak, like he’s not trying to solve his alignment or get any information from him. I recognize these interactions as scummy because that’s exactly the type of interactions I was going for with my scummates in LotR (specifically Arete, funnily enough).

Sorry that I answer things that no one else would answer. Also I wasn’t in LotR, so I literally have no fucking clue what happened there, so…piss off.

@Vulgard

High chance that someone else is Shurian.

This happened earlier, but in my opinion it only serves to make Shurian look even better.

I’m saying that the high chance was that it was Shurian because I had a feeling that if Marshal was scum, Shurian would be scum.

@Vulgard

Does anyone else think it’s strange that as soon as the votes start piling up on Kyo that Wazza jumps online dramatically and starts going after Marshal?

One sec, everyone be quiet, I have something controversial to do.
/vote Marshal

Ozz noticed that in the meantime. I think that makes him even townier than he was before (from my perspective).

no, no that is not evidence. I literally got online BEFORE I EVEN SAID THAT and even VOTED KYO before I realised that. So don’t try that on me, or I swear to fucking god.

@Vulgard

…Was he trying to get you to not investigate the Omega Action that is damning for the scumteam?

No, I love how you intentionally missed out some explaining posts to make me look more damning. I physically thought that it would confirm Marshal or Kyo as scum as both of them were claiming 2 different things. At the time, I had no idea that it only tells them at the start of the night, after the lynch. Arete even specifies this and I tell Arete to use it on whatever.

@Vulgard

Like I’ve said before: Wazza’s outlook on the game is quite narrow. He is trying to sell the narrative that a Marshal lynch gives us more information than a Kyo lynch, which is false. The fact one of the people who looks bad with a Kyo lynch is Wazza himself… that is particularly damning for Wazza. He is clearly pushing the idea of a Marshal lynch being more informative because a Marshal lynch doesn’t spew or suggest Wazza’s alignment. Basically, a Kyo lynch is bad for Wazza and I’m convinced he knew this while writing that post.

At the time, it really did. And now guess what, we have NO evidence, why? Well I have no fucking clue why. But you know what, this is one of the arguments by Vulgard that I can understand. Because guess what, I’m going to add some evidence on against myself, the fact that I was talking about Marshal’s classcard giving more info, and then suddenly Kyo’s lynch is cleaned. There you go, maybe add that next time!

@Vulgard

Kyo also immediately followed up on the post in Wazza’s stead. Why was he doing that instead of Wazza? …Yeah, that’s not a strong reason to scumread someone, but I don’t like that in hindsight either.

I really hate when you use that as evidence, someone else following up on my posts. I could follow up on your posts and if I’m scum and die, boom, people yeet onto your wagon? No, that’s not how this works at all.

@Vulgard

I really didn’t buy that backhanded excuse.

I couldn’t care less.

@Vulgard

…Is he happy about that? This looks like a scumchat post given what we know about the Syndicate’s Omega Action now.

No, I seriously did not realise, I thought we only had around 8 votes (Due to me only seeing 3 votes added onto Marshal)

@Vulgard

…Why are they playing like a team in these interactions?

WHY IS ALL THE END OF YOUR ARGUMENTS ABOUT KYO’S POST AGAINST ME, IT’S REALLY IRRITATING, I DON’T CONTROL THE OTHER HUMAN BEHIND A SCREEN.

@Vulgard

They are following up on each other’s messages and trying to discredit me together, because I’m hardpushing Kyo. The fact they are criticizing my PoE might also indicate there are scum members in the PoE (maybe a lot of them, even), although that is less certain. The important fact is that there is teamplay here. This is the second time they support each other without actually interacting with each other.

I physically can not comment on your posts anymore. They are pointless and using evidence from your own evidence. At the time, I had no idea you were even against Kyo, AND YOU FUCKING KNOW THAT. I literally thought you were even voting Marshal. So seriously piss off.

I’m not even going to bother with your conclusion, Vulgard, I’m not in the mood to read it, I’ll finish it later.

[Marshal]

does it have to do with the link?

because otherwise im blank

[Vulgard]

Maybe.

[Wazza]

This post is why I said I’m disappearing earlier, not that I’m giving up.

Anyway, now I’m going to make food. @Vulgard when you want I would like a response to this.

[Vulgard]

Ozz warned us against what Wazza is doing right now. Heed his warning.

He warned us that Wazza would try to “oooOOOooooOOOOoooOO” his way out of this. If you let it work, it will happen.

[SirDerpsAlot]

I forgot ozz was in this game

[Vulgard]

I’m not even going to bother to respond. You’re just yelling at me, calling every single one of my arguments bad and giving explanations which can’t be proven and which I don’t really believe.

[Wazza]

@Vulgard

giving explanations which can’t be proven and which I don’t really believe.

Actually, I explained them fine.

Go fucking read it. I won’t take a ‘no’ answer.

[SirDerpsAlot]

no

[Marshal]

/vote wazzazza

I’d personally prefer a derpslynch, but i am very confident both are scum.

[Vulgard]

I read it and that’s still the conclusion I’m reaching.

@Wazza

No, you realy didn’t. I would like you to start understanding things.

“You’re bad.”

@Wazza

Ah yes, using someone elses actions as evidence, I love that.

“You’re bad for using this. I won’t tell you why, but you are.”

@Wazza

Want to know what else I hate? You.

“You’re bad.”

@Wazza

Anyway, the thing that you clearly don’t understand is that at the time, I wanted Squid to take their fucking time as I know Squid personally and how angry they can get, and as a friend I really don’t want Squid to have to do that. So stop taking things out of context.

Impossible to prove. Also, “you’re bad.”

@Wazza

That message was an irl me getting annoyed at Kyo for his actions. I know how busy Squid was at the time. Sorry that I decide to help a friend.

“You’re bad and I will make you feel bad.”

Do I really have to continue?

[Emilia]

Somewhere around L-3 currently

[Wazza]

@Vulgard

“You’re bad and I will make you feel bad.”

Do I really have to continue?

This last one really urks me the most.

[SirDerpsAlot]

Im no scum, magus and wazz are scum, probably you

[Vulgard]

I honestly don’t want to interact with Wazza anymore because he’s just insulting me and calling me bad.
Let him die.

[Wazza]

Sorry that I have friends that I want to give my care to because they are really some of the only things I have.

I’m really just out now for real, cya.

[Marshal]

You still think that?

after literally everything past the scumcolor letters flipping shows kyo to be scum.

Wow. Just wow.

[SirDerpsAlot]

Im way more confident in Waz and mag so I wont push you, for now