[SFoL] SFoL 53: Looming Threat - Completed

[Maxwell]

@Geyde

Marshall is…

The Templar

Syndicate Killer
Eternal Crusade (Passive) - If you die, you will grant an additional effect to every other Syndicate Member’s Omega action.
In Nomine Dei (Passive) - If you perform the factional kill then you will always bypass night immunity, healing, jailing, the Hunter’s Bear Companion, and the Knight’s Defend. You may also use both Purge the Sinners and Faith and Steel in the same day.
Purge the Sinners (Day) - You will be able to both bleed and fake bleed a player for the day. The real bleed will inform a player that they were bled and they will die in two nights. The fake bleed will only inform the player that they were bled and do nothing else. - 3 use
Faith and Steel (Day) - During daytime you will kill yourself alongside a selected player in broad daylight. You cannot use this in the last 6 hours of the day. - One use
Divine Retribution (Night) - In each even night, kill a player as long as they have voted you at least once by the end of the last day. This ability does not stack with In Nomine Dei. - Infinite uses
Massacre (Night) - While performing a factional kill you will also rampage and kill everyone visiting your target tonight. This effect does not stack with In Nomine Dei and the rampage kills will not bypass healing or any form of protection at all. - One use
Dies Irae (Ω) - In each day, the Syndicate can place a Mark of Wrath on a player of their choice or commence the Day of Judgment. The Day of Judgment will be publicly announced in the thread and kill all players that had the Mark of Wrath, bypassing all forms of protection. Additionally, if a player with the Mark of Wrath gets lynched then they will have a one-shot Vengeful shot overnight that will only kill their target if they are not aligned with the Syndicate.

Your objective is to defeat the Blue Dragon.

yeah this might be the most powerful scum killer ever conceived in a legit SFoL here

[Jane]

Challenge accepted!

[Maxwell]

Not just stronger. Significantly stronger

[Maxwell]

omgis
Had we gotten that thunderdome right, town had a great chance
the day of judgement would have been permenantly disabled along with this class’s really pesky dayvigs and suicide bombing capabilities

[Maxwell]

you probably would have carried town to victory @Vulgard
unfortunate i screwed up so badly

[Vulgard]

@Maxwell

Dies Irae (Ω) - In each day, the Syndicate can place a Mark of Wrath on a player of their choice or commence the Day of Judgment. The Day of Judgment will be publicly announced in the thread and kill all players that had the Mark of Wrath, bypassing all forms of protection. Additionally, if a player with the Mark of Wrath gets lynched then they will have a one-shot Vengeful shot overnight that will only kill their target if they are not aligned with the Syndicate.

If the Blue Dragon member is not informed about this then it feels borderline bastard.

[Maxwell]

There are multiple different kinds of marks / negative effects these classes have.
BD was never meant to be informed of any of them.
This game was bastard by design in multiple if not several ways.

[Vulgard]

Imagine being like ‘oh yeah I CAN HERO SHOOT A SCUM THAT MISLYNCHED ME!’
and then you can’t shoot that scum.

[Solic]

@Vulgard

If the Blue Dragon member is not informed about this then it feels borderline bastard.

Why? They still benefit from making a good shot as opposed to a bad shot.

[Solic]

LOTRFM flashbacks to my vig shot on you

[Geyde]

@Icibalus

Note: Spamming dosen’t neccecarily mean the shitty kind. It can mean just making a lot of -EV points incredibly quickly. If i wanted to I could spew out like 50 reads every hour for 4 hours in a row and take up huge amongst of posts. I just don’t because I’m lazy.

Outposting villa is what I’m actually trying to refer to

[Vulgard]

@Geyde

The Templar

Syndicate Killer
Eternal Crusade (Passive) - If you die, you will grant an additional effect to every other Syndicate Member’s Omega action.
In Nomine Dei (Passive) - If you perform the factional kill then you will always bypass night immunity, healing, jailing, the Hunter’s Bear Companion, and the Knight’s Defend. You may also use both Purge the Sinners and Faith and Steel in the same day.
Purge the Sinners (Day) - You will be able to both bleed and fake bleed a player for the day. The real bleed will inform a player that they were bled and they will die in two nights. The fake bleed will only inform the player that they were bled and do nothing else. - 3 use
Faith and Steel (Day) - During daytime you will kill yourself alongside a selected player in broad daylight. You cannot use this in the last 6 hours of the day. - One use
Divine Retribution (Night) - In each even night, kill a player as long as they have voted you at least once by the end of the last day. This ability does not stack with In Nomine Dei. - Infinite uses
Massacre (Night) - While performing a factional kill you will also rampage and kill everyone visiting your target tonight. This effect does not stack with In Nomine Dei and the rampage kills will not bypass healing or any form of protection at all. - One use
Dies Irae (Ω) - In each day, the Syndicate can place a Mark of Wrath on a player of their choice or commence the Day of Judgment. The Day of Judgment will be publicly announced in the thread and kill all players that had the Mark of Wrath, bypassing all forms of protection. Additionally, if a player with the Mark of Wrath gets lynched then they will have a one-shot Vengeful shot overnight that will only kill their target if they are not aligned with the Syndicate.

You could separate this class into three separate classes and they would still form a powerful team.

[Solic]

I mean I think it’s still vastly OP and probably could be designed in a better way, but I don’t think it’s bastard whatsoever.

[Vulgard]

@Solic

Why? They still benefit from making a good shot as opposed to a bad shot.

Because if they are dead, they cannot tell BD their target was immune?

[Solic]

It’s not a public vengeful shot and they could actually if Priest would have activated.

[Maxwell]

Bastard means different things to different people.
This setup undeniably had at least a few bastard elements in it.

[Vulgard]

A night vengeful shot that secretly fails on scum doesn’t feel entirely fair to me but w/e. I’m not good at class design.

[Geyde]

@Vulgard

@Solic

It’s a Dreaming God, they don’t know what each action does.

But they are all written on the classcard…

It shows up to them with no descriptions other than the name

[Vulgard]

I’m not trying to be salty, honestly. I’m trying to be objective here, that’s why I didn’t read the class cards until now.

[Solic]

It rewards scum for making townies susp and it rewards townies for having good reads. That mechanic in isolation isn’t that bad imo.