[SFoL] SFoL 53: Looming Threat - Completed

[Geyde]

When your setup has gotten too powerful

[Maxwell]

I don’t think Italy was wrong when they claimed we had to correctly lynch every day to win.
MAYBE we had room for one mislynch, but that was it.

[Geyde]

You guys would have had a better chance if Alice picked their BD rolls to better match the scum
Randomizing was NOT a good idea

[Solic]

Yeah rolling Physicians a lot is painful if they can’t prevent the factional.

[Vulgard]

Theoretically scum could’ve made the Prince useless for three day/night cycles straight and I have only read half the scum classes yet

[Geyde]

Like

Give BD like 3 killers at least
That’s almost necessary here because just lynch still cuts it close

[Maxwell]

bd was ridiculously outmatched in pretty much every way
Hope this serves as a lesson that more thought needs to be put into balancing a setup than how the setup ended up being here.

[Geyde]

It was more that they literally could not stop almost every one of the kills
All of the night kills this game were strongman

[Maxwell]

so much yes
a bd class should just be removed from the game if it can’t do anything

[Maxwell]

also scum shouldn’t get infinite strongmen

[Solic]

I don’t know. I know I was one of the overpowered scum, but I don’t like to make Alice feel bad about this setup. They make GOAT setups so much, so I don’t want this to sadden her too much. Perhaps she might consult with someone else before running new setups first, but that’s about all constructive I would have out of this.

Also get co-hosts/vc-bots, don’t scale up games, but get replacements

[Geyde]

Strongman is limited for a reason

[Geyde]

They understood what went wrong
People are venting and poking more holes

[Maxwell]

Alice dedicates a ton of time towards creating setups, and that is greatly appreciated

[Vulgard]

@Geyde

Overwhelming Aura (Passive) - At the end of each night you will obtain a list of players who were occupied, roleblocked, or prevented from using their night actions.

I don’t like the amount of information the scumteam gets in this setup. They basically know everything that happens at night. People’s classes, people’s visits, fakeclaims, whether abilities succeeded or failed, who targeted who…

It also helps a lot with mislynches.

@Geyde

Force of Conviction (Day) - Redirects a player’s incoming day action to another. If no second target is chosen then this just occupies them. This does not consumes any charges if the target’s Fear Counter is at 2 or above. - 3 uses.

Okay, never mind. The Syndicate can make the Prince useless all game.

@Geyde

Mirror of Faith (Day) - Any day action targeting your target will cause the day action to be reflected back onto its user. - 3 uses.

All game. And this also hurts the Justiciar, I think? Not sure how that interaction works. I’m leaning toward ‘it doesn’t work that way.’

This class is actually alright in comparison to the other stuff that is going on among these classes. And it’s still very strong.

[Vulgard]

I still liked the setup and what it entailed, absolutely. I can’t say I didn’t enjoy this game.
But I feel like I have to say all this.

[Geyde]

@Vulgard

This class is actually alright in comparison to the other stuff that is going on among these classes. And it’s still very strong.

That’s what I thought mostly
The knowledge of occ / red was probably to help fakeclaim Noble?

[Maxwell]

Same. Alice’s setups are always fun, as was this one, but when the setup itself is responsible for at least 20% of the game’s outcome, there’s a problem from a balance perspective.

[Geyde]

But seriously
Prince is already limited by being macho after claiming
You don’t need to add even more counterplay

[Vulgard]

Like, the thing is.
Their Investigative, as Maxwell has already said, already gives them a ton of info ALL GAME.
I don’t think more info is necessary.