[SFoL] SFoL 58: Virtuous II — Return of the Fallen — FINALE -- Day 5 (4/16): Imperial Triumph — The Hand of Byzantium, The Fool, and The Strigoi Win!

Probably not?

If I’m voting a scumread, its obvious going to be Richard but Sulit is the consensus hang.

I would agree that NK has no business with marshal claim unless they don’t want Marshal claim to out he got visited by BD and lived, in case they were attacked.

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Or converted and failed.

Well, that was incorrect. It’s not a solution to the “only one nightkill” problem. It’s a solution to the “why kill Marshal” problem. The Hand of Byzantium would have the easiest time doing that, and they have the strongest motive to yeet the Marshal out of the game early.

The Neutral Killer could be Richard (who was jailed). I doubt they attack Arete (who was presumably healed), or Marshal (who claimed Marshal, a class non-threatening to a neutral killer, and who was also likely to have a protective on them). Or Richard (unless they were deliberately trying to dodge protectives, but some were already distracted on Arete and Derps did not list Richard as a person he would try to protect.). Ergo: if the neutral killing is paying any amount of attention to the game, they do not kill Richard, Arete or Marshal. Which means their kill should have succeeded. But either they hit a random save (which has not been claimed yet), or they are exactly Richard.

I think I’m starting to buy into Possessed’s (this is weird to pronounce) logic. Logically, Richard has wolf equity. Reads-wise, I can’t see them as a wolf, but maybe I’m being fooled.

Villagers, where are you? I don’t want to keep posting.

I’d love some second opinions on this part from other players.

Its also 6 am east coast US so most Americans are sleeping

I think I missed the point here. The neutral killer would not kill Richard because nobody was reading Richard as a villager. The neutral killer needs scapegoats for the lynch during the day. Killing Richard seems -EV.

I think I am getting my logic confused, I should stop posting for a while.

What about you?

If the Duke is nice enough to prove myself as page, then that will clear me as the Neutral Killer. I get that I’m suspicious as there was only 1 night kill when I was kidnapped. If I weren’t kidnapped and was attacked then I’d still be alive today. I told the Duke in prison that I’d change my class 1st opportunity.

Okay I have to get ready for school and when I was reading up I was at L-3 if you guys could wait to hammer me till later today when I get back from school that’d be awesome because I would actually have some free time and I haven’t had time to update my logs yet.

Day 1 I was trying the Possessed_Strat TM, as act scummy/null and I won’t be converted/die.

Uh, it worked, but too well apparently.

I claim the Handmaiden, I Matchmaked Arete and darth N1. I won’t claim the results, they’ll either be in my logs or ill claim them later if needed.
Like the blind idiot I am, I thought it would compare their alignments and not classes, so my logic was if they both matched as town OR scumthen that’s epic, if they didn’t match then that’s cool, we have a tiny POE, and the scum in there would have been likely darth.

These are my logs from last night:

Logs

Right so this is sulit the handmaiden I probably hopefully won’t die because that was the point of me doing that shit day one but if I do then here are my last minute logs I did on my way to soccer

N1 - Matchmake darth and Arete because that seems like a good plan especially if they’re different

Some reads I remember making D1

Arete - I usually read Arete off of whether they try to pocket me or not but this time around that probably wouldn’t be a smart play by them. Since they claimed bounty-er person they’re confirmable and I’m not worried

Vulgard - Vulgard mentioned changing the way they played in dead chat FoL26, which I see them doing here, which is good, applaud to them. I’d say Vulgard would be more timid when trying this play style as scum and wouldn’t attack people nearly as much as they did, probably town

One last thing is that I really, really don’t trust Amelia, and you guys shouldn’t either.

I am out of time I’m sorry I have to go to soccer my logs suck but it’s the best I could do on a Wednesday lmao

My cereals getting soggy so I’m going to head out, my argument for not lynching me is I can use prying servants, and my wonderful personality.

As has been argued before, it isn’t in the Neutral Killer’s interest to kill the Marshal N1 as they need the Unseen and the scum faction dead. So killing the ones who could find the scum faction hurts the Neutral Killer as they can’t leave too many of either faction alive.

I wake up at 4 am everyday for a 7am work shift.

Kill me please

You gotta tread scum and villager line carefully. Make bad nullish discussion, but make sure you are above the null zone. If this is true, you dipped too much into the null zone.

The problem with Richard’s claim is that it conveniently encourages the Unseen to give them time (at least two full cycles for proper confirmation). During these two cycles, a lot of villagers could be killed. It’s a little worrying to me.

No. I love you. Your life is precious. I hope you can withstand the suffering. :heart:

Is this a gutread, or do you have tangible reasons for the suspicion?

Also, @ sulit’s claim.

Literally impossible. You have no N0 as Handmaiden, and it does match alignments.

Maid does match class types.

And so does the Socialite. I wonder what this indicates. :eyes:

I wonder if this is Sulit slipping as the N1 convert. Clearly, her result isn’t real. Her action is impossible for the class she’s claiming, and nothing could possibly change that fact. :upside_down_face:

Can anyone prove me wrong here? I don’t think this is the type of mistake a villager would make. It evidently implies two targets when only one could exist.

I was just gonna bring this up: Those Handmaiden logs are wrong. Ironically, last time I played this format I got Handmaiden so I know how it works.

You check one person N1, not two. And you can’t use Change Sheets to start off with a target to check with your N1 target.

I personally believe this type of slip could come from a Handmaiden who was converted and forgot that the abilities of her previous class worked differently. Either way, this looks really bad and I don’t think we are lynching outside of Sulit today.

/vote sulit

You can start lolcatting. I can’t picture a villager ever making a mistake like this.

Damn @Arete A+ bountyread.

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Chill with this, Sulit is the Lynch. Sulit also prob solo.

“The problem with Richard’s claim is that it conveniently encourages the Unseen to give them time (at least two full cycles for proper confirmation). During these two cycles, a lot of villagers could be killed. It’s a little worrying to me”.

Well isn’t that the point of being a Squire or Page in this game? To become a useful class? How else would a Page here confirm themselves as such?

I am saying that your claim is convenient, because I suspect you of being exactly the Neutral Killer and a Page claim buys you more than enough time to kill plenty of villagers. Of course, you could still be a villager, and I understand the point of the class. It just seems like a claim which greatly benefits your situation from the perspective of you being the Neutral Killer – it gives you more time than most other claims do.

@ Possessed Do you agree that Frostwolf has Arbiter equity? I think I’ve convinced myself that we are in a Hand of Byzantium game.