[SFoL] SFoL 60 - Randomizer - Day 3 (14/18) - The Blue Dragon and Mercenary Win!

[an_gorta_pratai]

Am I making any sense?

[Alice]

@Arete

‘Poss was swapped by a TK-alt MM’ theory doesn’t really make sense

like, that would mean that the Unseen missed their N1 convert and then decided to bus drive N2 rather than converting

Unless a BD used Mix Rooms, then yeah.

[CRichard564]

As I said before, neutral killer and unseen don’t want to kill each other with so many BD alive.

[Alice]

@Arete

Alice could actually just be the N1 convert and FPSing. This seems fairly unlikely given the Poss kill as she could have chosen not to claim that she was safeguarding the person she was attacking?

Duh, this would be a very bad misplay that I’d never do it.

@Arete

Alice could have been occupied (roleblocked) or redirected

So here’s the thing. The MM is converting, the Assassin is killing. So who could would have occupied/redirected a confirmed neutral? Unless there’s a second Neutral then this is never the case.

@Arete

Someone could have swapped Poss with another player (either a Tavernkeeper, or a TK-alt MM) (…I’m not actually sure if this is possible, given that Alice was preventing visits to Poss, which should prevent a TK)

Most likely what I’m thinking rn.

@Arete

The scum nightkill could have been strongmanned (for some forms of strongmanning)

How? Doesn’t the CW’s day action causes killers to bypass night immunity regardless if they’re empowered at night?

@Arete

A Sellsword/etc. could also have existed and attempted to prevent visits to Poss, which would have cancelled out Alice’s action

Maybe. None have flipped as of yet.

[CRichard564]

As I said before we still have an unsolved BD/Neutral slot. If this slot is BD, then we know that the Sellsword scenario is impossible. If it’s a neutral, then we have to consider who is the 2nd neutral and what they are.

[an_gorta_pratai]

Would you be seen defending a obvious demon if you were unseen/EK or trying to lead on them?

@Chloe

@Arete

Someone could have swapped Poss with another player (either a Tavernkeeper, or a TK-alt MM) (…I’m not actually sure if this is possible, given that Alice was preventing visits to Poss, which should prevent a TK)

Most likely what I’m thinking rn.

Assuming Alice was the convert attempt n1 why would you redirect n2 instead of trying to convert again? It just doesn’t make sense

[an_gorta_pratai]

Again I don’t think it’s good to clear Arete on the demon lead, but I can say that I gut read Arete as good king.

[an_gorta_pratai]

For the sake of progression we can agree to disagree. We both think Arete is the GK and that’s all that matters. Fighting about reasoning here is counter intuitive and only harms the town.

[CRichard564]

No I wouldn’t. I suppose EK would want to be a “confirmed GK” for as long as possible even if it means getting the wolves killed.

[an_gorta_pratai]

They aren’t on the same team, so I don’t think a EK would risk their reputation on something like that.

[CRichard564]

Which is true.

[Arete]

this entire argument is irrelevant because even if I were EK, I wouldn’t have known Italy’s alignment

[an_gorta_pratai]

That’s also true, but Italy was scummy as hell and it wasn’t hard to put 2+2 together. Regardless, I am done with this argument.

[an_gorta_pratai]

Let’s focus on other things

[Vulgard]

@Arete

Alice could actually just be the N1 convert and FPSing. This seems fairly unlikely given the Poss kill as she could have chosen not to claim that she was safeguarding the person she was attacking?

kyo peeked her as neutral
they are always w/w if that’s the case

@Arete

Alice could have been occupied (roleblocked) or redirected

only makes sense if unseen knew her targets, otherwise they wouldn’t bother to attack her target

@Arete

Someone could have swapped Poss with another player (either a Tavernkeeper, or a TK-alt MM) (…I’m not actually sure if this is possible, given that Alice was preventing visits to Poss, which should prevent a TK)

shouldn’t be possible right? visit prevention should block that

@Arete

The scum nightkill could have been strongmanned (for some forms of strongmanning)

i’m guessing warlock!amelia but that’s kinda overly specific
alice could’ve been prevented herself by a sellsword or something

@Arete

A Sellsword/etc. could also have existed and attempted to prevent visits to Poss, which would have cancelled out Alice’s action

exactly

@Chloe

Duh, this would be a very bad misplay that I’d never do it.

my doubt levels are skyrocketing rn

[Zone_Q11]

Hey @Arete, @CRichard564, when are we going to vote people off from the PoE?

[an_gorta_pratai]

I think right now it’s best to figure out how Poss died

[CRichard564]

People are moved from PoE when they are either proven as town or mafia. That’s the way it works.

[an_gorta_pratai]

Can’t we discuss for a bit so that we don’t screw up and mislynch?

[Vulgard]

do we have any truth bullets

i think there are some but idk if i should compile them, might derail the thread a little bit

@Possessed

If you honestly want a kill, kill Alice. She claims Merc. Ici and Vulgard had a scout trip on her last night, which could honestly mean she was attacked or convert attempted.

Kyo confirms she is neutral with WoW.

might be notable that poss’ last desire in the thread was to have alice killed
and then he just
dies
alice claims he was her target which is hilarious in hindsight if true

wazza was… well apparently they killed him because he was mechconfirmed or something?
i don’t remember who mechconfirmed him but whoever did is probably town based on this