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[ChopChop]

@Centuries

@ChopChop

That’s how I/we all should accurately read

I could name you 10 players who would just say “I’m town” as town
I could name you 10 players who would just say “I’m town” as scum
I could name you 10 players who would just say “From my PoV I’m x but I could see you not trusting me” as town
I could name you 10 players who would just say “From my PoV I’m x but I could see you not trusting me” as scum

@TheBlueElixir

because this post doesnt actually say anything about neither me or alice’s alignment, its just ‘this bad’

Because I think it’s extremely NAI imo like I could see it being scum Alice just cherrypicking my posts or it could be town alice having read my posts but quoting this which shades me in a worse light o_O

I think you’re more likely to be town becuase lolrand and loldayplay but it makes 0 sense for me to just say “this is town” when the post that im quoting itself is nai

like sure I could case either of you but I’m not in the mood to case you two o_O

DO IT!
Name Em!

[TheBlueElixir]

@Wazza

Final 2 players were pinged purely for them to question their own wagons as I got nothing for them.

@Centuries

TBE voting me

eh whatever actually i think he most likely doesnt sl me anymore? im probably in his nulls atm

how did you know

I voted Whypser as an RT

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@Whysper

and chances are he’s not.

why do you think this(or do you mean chances as in; the actual odds he couldve rolled scum)

@Whysper

I’m just choosing where to look for better advice.

fair enough. Dont get too caught up, i guess.

@Whysper

He may have just been picking on me as a newbie.

it was just testing your reaction

Your answers work.

@an_gorta_pratai

@ATNoName don’t use your conversion blockers n1 if they can’t convert n1

mech guy blue here he should(if Unseen) Use Permenant scheme tonight so he can use advisors the next and have 2 people immune

Thread clog

@Whysper

What’s TBE? I see a lot of people using that.

just some chad

@Whysper

I was starting to think it meant To Be Executed

what does this mean for me

@EliThePsycho

er

not you too

[Chloe]

@Wazza

Please stop asking me about things I’ve already explained or it’s going to annoy me.

I specifically only stated reads I mentioned about in the post.

I was catchin’ up, and didn’t see your explanations.

Going to check them now.

@Wazza

Ah yes, because SDA claimed they were bled, also I’m finding a reason to find people I can trust currently. It’s not my fault they are the players I trust that were mentioned in the post .

This doesn’t mention why you townread them outside of the bleed claims.
Why do you think bleed claims are so AI, and especially:

@Wazza

Vulgard - I believe his bleed, his reaction makes me think he is Town.

What about his reaction makes you view Vul as town?

I think I might be misunderstanding something you’re saying, or you’re misunderstanding something I’m saying. I just want your basis for the townreads outside of them claiming bled.

@Leafia

Maybe explaining some of the reads I have will help.

This is actually a nice post from Leafia. Forming her own takes, and her scumread on me feels pretty genuine, even if its wrong.

I’m too drained to read into these too much, but I like the vibe.
Leafia is lookin’ a bit better recently.

@Aelin

ayaya

ayaya

@SirDerpsAlot

Don’t like chloes first posts, their stance on leafia is bad IMO and them “avoiding meta” reads as an excuse to wolf read someone for doing something in their town range

I wish this game allowed alts
The best reads I’ve had were when I was on an alt and actively avoiding using meta
I don’t think its bad to do that
Sure, meta will always be in the back of my mind somewhere, but I dont want it to overwhelm my takes
Especially since Leafia pointed out that their exact scum and townmetas before the game started
Of course they’re going to change it up lmao

@Aelin

No, not perhaps, I have a soulread on him as a fucking idiot

Can we stop being rude?
You were probably being slightly sarcastic, but toxicity will just skew how the other person views you.

@Wazza

Anyway, we need to sort out these vanity wagons and I know I said I didn’t want to do anything with voting but it’s annoying me.

We arent even 12h into the day, what
Vanity wagons shouldn’t be thought about until like at least 24h into the day
We have soooo much time

@SirDerpsAlot

She basically tunneled leafia fron her few posts from my skim

I’m not tunneling! aaaaaaa
I’m looking at people outside of Leafia too
Just because I’m voteparked atm doesn’t mean I’m tunneling
I’m just getting a feel for her slot

Hell, I’m probably moving wagons by the end of this post. Shes been fine recently. But you cant say her reaction to being pushed wasn’t horrible

@Whysper

As for Cent, I guess I don’t particularly think he’s wolf. More an impulse to just get him back for voting me. Haha. He may have just been picking on me as a newbie. Haha. I doubt I’ll actually vote for him though.

Just quoting this as its the last part of your post

Who would you vote rn, if anyone?

@an_gorta_pratai

let’s use terms like bd/bd and HoB/HoB

Honestly
Disagree

Wolf/scum is perfectly acceptable rn. We cant really distinguish between the two scum factions, at least until we get some wolf flips and some spew

Edit: I just re-read this. I’m a dummy. You mean instead of saying W/W we should use these terms.
IMO we shouldnt really be considering W/W interactions this early but meh, fine - if you are going to, you might as well specify if W/W is referring same-faction, or if the two players are just individually wolfy

Also I’m getting good gorta vibes rn

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Bro i feel like ive done a lot more than I have
I only have 11 posts but ive stuffed so much shit into these

Anyways, I think its time to move on from Leafia for a bit
They’ve picked up recently

Lets see where this gets us:
/vote PsychoKang @anon6348071 @Amelia

[Leafia]

@Zone_Q11

@Leafia

You can dictate how your scum meta is. Doesn’t mean you’re right.

Then… wouldn’t the same apply to you?

Of course it applies to me…you know, I probably shouldn’t use the defense thaty I wouldn’t do something as a wolf any more come to think of it. I’;m stArting to realize how scummy that sounds and unless you’re a wolf that’s trying to convince others that you’re not a wolf, why would you claim that you wouldn’t act the way that you’re acting as a wolf? If you’re town, then you can’t be 100% positive that you wouldn’t do what you’re doing now as a wolf. Situations can be very similar, but never exactly the same after all.

@Zone_Q11

@Leafia

Then again, I’ve only seen you as scum twice. In Homestuck as the NK and in CFM 2, where you replaced a groupscummate of mine.

I appreciate the change. I believe this is the first time my image obtained my right of free speech from you. --I wonder if the same can apply with Surge.

Off-Topic Explanation

In my head, I believe that everyone has “the image of themselves” and “the image of others”, which are essentially “what you believe you are” and “what you believe others are”.

Ever since the second time I encounter you and Surge (which was in this forum), I always see you two say “Zone wouldn’t do this, he would do that instead”.
–this means that -in a certain sense- “the image you have of me in your head has no right of free speech; he always has to say what you think I should say, and do whatever you think I should do”.

In reality… you simply don’t cannot know how I would talk and do.
You only have “an image of me” and not “the real me”.

This makes a lot of sense actually. For all I know, you could be saying these things just to help convince others that you’re town, even if I don’t think that’s the case. Thanks for helping me improve my game Zone. This is something that I’ll keep in mind from now on. Unless I’ve seen their scumgames and have a good feel for how they play as scum, never assume that they wouldn’t do something as scum, especially if it’s outside their townmeta. It’s a lesson that’s very important to learn I think.

In essence, you’re saying it’s better to keep an open mind about things, and I couldn’t possibly agree more.

[Chloe]

I’m here and I have some energy
Also thread is finally slower

I can catch up and read things without 100 new posts popping up

Ask me shit
I wanna talk to people

[EliThePsycho]

@Chloe

Lets see where this gets us:
/vote PsychoKang @Anstreim @Amelia

hello what do you need

[Chloe]

Hello start providing content that allows me to read you

[EliThePsycho]

there’s not really much to post about rn
so idk

[Chloe]

@EliThePsycho

there’s not really much to post about rn

go give me some fun takes

[EliThePsycho]

brb re-reading thread
after dinner probably

[TheBlueElixir]

I exist

@Chloe

Ask me shit

whats your take on Alice(if I missed it, point me to it)

[PokemonKidRyan]

Well, one question I have would be…
Who is your top townread and scumread (after catching up) and why?

Another would be
Has anyone dropped or went up on your reads?

[TheBlueElixir]

can you answer that question too

[Leafia]

I agree with Derps here. It’s only towards the EoD that they become an issue.

[PokemonKidRyan]

I do need to catch up.
But from what I read I like Leaf, Zone and Cent for sure and Wazza is my top town atm.

As for top scum, it is mostly gut on Alice.
I need to reread to point out what erked me but something did.

[Aelin]

Hi. Chloe, taking a look at who has been on your wagon, are there any people you believe are on it in bad faith/opportunistically?

[TheBlueElixir]

@PokemonKidRyan

As for top scum, it is mostly gut on Alice.
I need to reread to point out what erked me but something did.

a)spicy b) probably written by a villager since a wolf ?probably? wouldnt try to push alice and almost always would put a reason flatly there but I still want to know why

[Chloe]

@TheBlueElixir

whats your take on Alice(if I missed it, point me to it)

@Chloe

Feeling okay with Alice. Unique takes, even though one is on me. Nothing seems unnecessary or padded.

Bonk

Also her push on me feels reasonable and doesn’t really feel scum-motivated
She has valid points
I needa start searching for town

@PokemonKidRyan

Well, one question I have would be…
Who is your top townread and scumread (after catching up) and why?

Another would be
Has anyone dropped or went up on your reads?

I’d prefer if you read through my posts to figure out if anyone has dropped or went up in my reads lmao
But sure I can answer

I dont have any mega strong townreads atm? Top I’d probably say is TBE
im gunna get asked why so
TBE feels incredibly genuine, and has unique takes - like his read on conroy, for example
Feels truly solvey and gives me good vibes
Overall I haven’t seen anything from him that pings me as wolfy

Don’t really have a top scumread rn and I don’t wanna make anything up and pretend like I do

Leafia moved up because her recent posts explain her thought-process more, and she is forming her own opinions on players rather than being a sheepy sheep - and her take on me doesn’t feel faked

PK moved down a bit because of how he hopped into the Leafia wagon with no solid reasoning, just “your reaction was bad” - and hes weirdly aware of where his vote should be

@Aelin

Hi. Chloe, taking a look at who has been on your wagon, are there any people you believe are on it in bad faith/opportunistically?

Nah not really?

If anyone, Vul
But I only say that because he hasnt existed so I can’t exactly read him lmao

[Chloe]

Oh also

From this point forward
If anyone focuses on the bleeds for absolutely no reason, and if anyone uses them as a main basis for their reads
They lose Chloe points

Not gunna let mech frick this game up

[TheBlueElixir]

also ftr my stance on Alice is that they have somewhat weak reasons(hypocrite, I know) on reasonable reads

TL for now

if they make it to d2 revisit and if they make it to d3 something is gravely wrong(2 scumfactions and neither killing them would be a bit ??)