[SFoL] SFoL 63 - Triple Threat: Virtuous - Game Over (4/26) - Blue Dragon (evils) win!

[sulit]

imma try to get myself to wake up more and then try to read a bit more

wheeee

I disagree with a lot of chloes reads

which is somewhat worrying me

because i think im just being dumb

[Centuries]

@Centuries

I don’t think having this many V reads early is too AI

@Centuries

10 V reads out of 26 players

@Centuries

I don’t think weird is scum tbh

@Centuries

Why isn’t this town Alice having genuine TRs

most of your points can get answred by saying this though

[Alice]

People who I’m putting in my towncore.

• Alice
• Vulgard
• TBE
• Surge
• Zone
• Frost
• Centuries
• Italy

People who are indepedently villagery.

• SDA
• Intensify
• Soulshade
• PKR
• Whysper
• ash
• Light

People who have claimed a PR

• Magnus

People I’m conflicted.

• Leafia
• N
• Chloe

People who I wouldn’t mind dying.

• Mole
• Cloned

People who need to die.

• Psycho Kang
• gorta
• Insanity
• Wazza

Basically where I’m at rn. Magnus basically never endgames here as he’ll probably get strongmanned because of his claim either way or get CC’d if he’s lying, so I wouldn’t worry about him.

I’m pretty much settled that people in my towncore never flip the starting 6 wolves. Second tier probably has at most one-two misclears.

[Centuries]

i hate how the only people who reacted to my insanity iso is the people who pointed out i spelled scummy as cummy at onepoint o_O

[Vulgard]

even if alice is a wolf, it looks like you decided she’s a wolf before actually reaching that conclusion by reading her

@Insanity

But anyway, /vote Alice for now.

From what I have read, it seems like you really were setting up some serious pocketing attempt for later uses, and a little bit deflective in regards to Wazza’s accuses.

“alice is scum because she’s pocketing”
how the fuck can you tell she’s pocketing anyone
what makes you believe that was a w/v interaction
especially in a multiball game

it just doesn’t look real

@Insanity

Like…how many people are you going to V read, lmao.

@Insanity

And although it might be my gutread, but Alice just branding everyone as “Villager” at the day start is scummy as hell.

@Insanity

I didn’t have any “direct” evidence of you saying that it is you pocketing rather than me trying to legitimately find villagers.

But…

@Insanity

If you put everyone else down as Villager, then I don’t think this is you trying to just find villagers.

and the way you justify it is extremely poor
you’re trying to bend reality to fit your worldview instead of trying to bend your worldview to the reality
conclusion before analysis and it falls apart

[Frostwolf103]

Eh I don’t blame you for your effort, it’s still day 1.

[Insanity]

@Vulgard

seemingly at random

No, this is not random.

Her post caught my attention early on.

@Vulgard

why are you not evaluating her in real time

I do, but I can’t really find anyway that she could be town.

@Vulgard

what do you think about her responses to your push

Her response being OMGUS. I see.

@Vulgard

why do you think she’s 100% scum

She is 100% scum due to how she looks in my eyes. I didn’t have any mechanical info or whatsoever, but I could tell it.

@Vulgard

do you have any tangible reasons that aren’t omgus

No.

Just because I scumread who might be one of the best town player in the forum, I can’t automatically be trusted?

[Centuries]

maybe

People who I’m putting in my towncore.

Centuries
Vulgard
TBE
Seth
Zone
Frost
Italy
SDA

People who are indepedently villagery.

Alice
Insanity
Soulshade
Ash
LIght
Intenisfy
Chloe
Mole

People who have claimed a PR

Magnus

People I’m conflicted.

N
Leafia
Whysper
PK
PKR

People who I wouldn’t mind dying.

Cheese
Gorta
Wazza

[Centuries]

yes i STOLE alice’s formatting o_O

[Vulgard]

@Insanity

But rather mass clearing people as Villager early in the game is just…weird.

@Insanity

…Uh, let me rethink my life choice first.

@Insanity

/unvote

I guess I completely just ehm, read Alice wrong.

But still though, I want to ask a question - Why Chloe

you actually stopped reading her scum…

@Insanity

For Chloe, in my opinion, her reads are genuine and not really that forced. Although she sus’d Vul for claiming bleed at the start of the day and then started to divert her attention toward Leafia. And yes, I don’t see Vul being wolf by just claiming bleed at the SoD, but she did have her own reasoning, and her own interaction between Leafia and her doesn’t seems like a WvT to me.

Slight town at the least.

For Leafia, although him/her being defensive as heck is really scummy, but I could see that his/her defenses doesn’t seems like what a wolf would produce. And he/she did improve her defense in the end.

And tbh, Alice, you are still on my watch list

talked to her…

@Insanity

Between Surge and Alice, one must be the scum.

created a false “always 1 mafia in seth/alice” based on nothing…

@Insanity

Ah, so you basically confirmed that you will put anyone that accuses you in wolf list again, huh.

/vote Alice

then started scumreading her again because she’s scumreading someone who doesn’t like her

you’re pretending to have progression but you’re just fixated on her slot the whole day and you’re finding reason after reason to call her scum after people asked you to justify it and not before

@Insanity

I do, but I can’t really find anyway that she could be town.

but… you pretended to stop scumreading her
you unvoted her
why are you now saying that she’s always scum
what happened back then
did you only unvote because the village wanted you to?

@Insanity

Just because I scumread who might be one of the best town player in the forum, I can’t automatically be trusted?

why are you turning this into a “anyone who scumreads alice is scum”
that’s not true at all, your read on alice is simply unnatural and the justifications which come after look barely put together

[Vulgard]

@Vulgard

created a false “always 1 mafia in seth/alice” based on nothing…

that’s actually really terrible because it gives you an opportunity to push seth d2 if alice dies and flips villager

[Vulgard]

i reiterate, alice can be a wolf
but your read on her is garbage
so you can be a wolf too
probably from another team

that’s all

[Centuries]

Are we thinking Insanity is a baddie becuase of a terrible push or because of a scummy push o_O

[ChopChop]

@Whysper

Oh wow, this is so aggressive that I can’t help wondering if this is another of those RTs.

Oh and extra smiles for you.

@Insanity

…Uh, don’t act scummy like this.

[Vulgard]

his thought process started with “alice scum” and everything after that was built on the premise of “alice scum”
no villager ever plays like that

meanwhile a wolf who doesn’t know any better could just want to tunnel and get cred if alice really does flip wolf

[Centuries]

@Vulgard

no villager ever plays like that

yes conf biased villagers do not exist…

(me in anonymafia)

:^)

@Vulgard

meanwhile a wolf who doesn’t know any better could just want to tunnel and get cred if alice really does flip wolf

this being multiball i agree

[Alice]

@Centuries

yes conf biased villagers do not exist…

Insanity’s tunnel isn’t coming from confirmation bias.

He’s literally made the push starting with Alice wolf then started trying to find reasons for it.

Villagers with CB will usually start of with flimsy evidence and then make the conclusion, not the other way around.

[Vulgard]

the one thing giving me pause is that insanity doesn’t even know what he’s done this game
i implied that he hasn’t given any reads which were not on alice, but there are other reads in his iso
he’s just not mentioning them for some reason
and i’m struggling to understand if it’s because they were fake or because he’s just this clueless

[Vulgard]

i asked him for his other reads and he didn’t bring up any of his previous reads which had no reason to change from what i can tell
what the fuck

[Alice]

@Alice

Villagers with CB will usually start of with flimsy evidence

Such as how Seth began tunneling PKR because of the fake red, rather than how he began tunneling PKR then started trying to find evidence for it.