[SFoL] SFoL 63 - Triple Threat: Virtuous - Game Over (4/26) - Blue Dragon (evils) win!

[Zone_Q11]

@ash4fun

@ATNoName

That bleed could be from anyone

I don’t think town daybleeds on literal nothing; scum might daybleed someone they think might be strong town (or opposing scum).

I have my doubts about the ligitmiacy of the bleed claim, but if it’s true, it comes from scum almost always.

I am curious. Now that Intensify has also claimed to be bled, what do you think of it?

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@Leafia

@Zone_Q11

Why would you expect everyone to get as serious as you are?

Some people actually want to win you know.

What does that have to do with you wanting everyone to be as serious as you are?
Why are we not allowed to play in a lax manner?

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@Leafia

@Zone_Q11

Why do you think it is improbable for an individual (or perhaps even a group) to have a serious scumread on “someone else” that just happens to be you?

Not only is it far too early in the day to develop such a strong scumread on someone, but I hadn’t even been that wolfy at all when they developed it.

@Leafia

I hadn’t even been that wolfy

Do you think that if you think that someone is wolfy, that others have to agree with you?
If something isn’t wolfy to you, but it is wolfy to others, are they never correct?
Are we never allowed to have a free will to choose what is towny and what is wolfy?

Regarding “it is too early”: Where I come from (NovelUpdates Forum), people do jack **** during D1 because nobody died. Does this mean that nobody was supposed to read anyone during D1?
The answer is “no”, it is never too early to read people.

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@Leafia

No. The case against me is BS.

If it was BS, then how come other people are making a fuss about it? There are “only” six (6) scum in this game, yet I see more than six people be against you.

If you are town, then something has got to be wrong. Something that you are doing must be so bad, that other town agree that you are scummy.

[Centuries]

@TheBlueElixir

does ‘this’ refer to

no ok uh

I think scum alice thoughts wouldve been

“its probably easier to start a push on cent by quoting tbe’s post and tricking him into conf biasing himself”

but actually

scum alice wouldnt do that while catching up so actually i think the alice post is town motivated

[Leafia]

This is the best time to ISO I think.

[Alice]

@ash4fun

They look to me like they’re making comments that push their view, rather than things that suggest that they’re trying to make a view/find the right view.

I could probably substantiate it more but then I’d have to do iso stuff and I don’t know if I want to get into that yet…

Yeah, I’d like for you to do that.

[Wazza]

@Alice

…and why do you think this is me buddying Vulgard instead of TR’ing them over our mindmeld on N?

Purely because games like Short Fuse V prove that you don’t exactly townread people over something as small and simple as that.

[Frostwolf103]

@Alice

Frost looks to be villagerish with his mech posts rn as of ~p330.

I dont recall do mech posts other than that’s common knowledge, what do you mean by that? I feel like I should have contradicted my reasoning somewhere.

@Centuries

Because I think it’s extremely NAI imo like I could see it being scum Alice just cherrypicking my posts

Ah nah, the moment Alice will powerwolf though, that’s when you need to be prepared.

[Chloe]

@EliThePsycho

on a non-leafia note,
intensify is acting weird
might vote them later

Bruh just vote
The fact that you care so much about where your vote is and telling us where your vote is going to be seems self-aware
Just
Vote

@ChopChop

I’m Soft Claiming if that wasn’t obvious

Why.
This is stupid

Can we not do this

@Soulshade55r

I think if leafia actually looked at the argument and responded to it in a normal matter they would be a town read. I don’t know If I’m really going to get anywhere wth Leafia tbh they just seem intent on calling my posts and reasoning stupid which comes from someone who isn’t really scum or town…

I really dislike not being able to vote/pressure leafia here but I actually don’t think I’m going to get anywhere with them they feel like a slot that will just be ignored and randomly turn out to be townie or scum. Which I strongly dislike.

Gross hedge.

@Soulshade55r

Leafia is a bad d1 tunnel they won’t actually give a good response

Disagree tbh. Also it aint a tunnel, its just some pressure and questioning. We can look outside of Leafia as well.
You can also look at people who jump on the wagon and their reasonings for it.

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I almost wanna ignore Zone for now bc i dont know how to read him. There are too many people to pay attention to hng

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The way Leafia is calling me scum and her wagon having wolves does not line up with her level of pushing me. I haven’t felt any pressure from her at all, minus a single vote for reasons unrelated to my vote on her.

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@ash4fun

@Zone_Q11

At this point, I’d simply like to echo these posts and bus against Leafia.

Is this a slip?

No. I’ve said bus as town before - in almost this exact same way. No slipperino.

@Intensify

So far, Soul is giving me scum pings and Cheese maybe a little less. Soul’s posts have been kinda meh so far if I were to say. Cheese also too, but on a lesser extent I would say.

Expand on this.

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@Leafia

Her first post was so hypocritical, literally doing what she scumread me for and when Vulgard scumread her for doing so, she instantly focused on me just because I agreed with him.

My vote on you was just to put pressure on you. The reasoning was some bullshit I made up spur-of-the-moment.
Its much easier to gauge your alignment when youre shoved a bit.

@Leafia

Chloe knows me better than that to be scumreading me for something like that and her claim that her vote and read on me were an RT doesn’t feel genuine. It’s too soon for genuine RTs because not everyone is being serious.

I don’t know you that well? What
Also its not too soon for an RT. Its RVS. Push for reactions.

@Frostwolf103

Either Intensify is groupscum and knows Vul is RTing so he wouldn’t fall for it and justify with his reasoning of his vote on Vulgard although as Seth explained himself, I dont think it’s coming from groupscum

There are two groupscum factions. This line of thought doesn’t add up.

Tbh i keep doing this too. Not used to multiball.

@TheBlueElixir

what did you get from the RT

@Chloe

Ngl i voted you just to see how you would react
I didn’t really care about your first post, I just find it easier to gauge your alignment after a little oomph

Also this reaction is weird as fuck, but its getting into meta-read territory, which I don’t want to do a lot
Something feels off - your sheep vote rather than straight-up OMGUS is… not what I’d expect from you
I’m keeping an eye on you

@Chloe

These posts look weird as fuck and I almost want to call them TMI, but its hella early for that
I think its odd that she immediately goes the “villager doing an RT” route
Same feeling as when she asked for Vul’s reason for voting me, rather than voting me herself

A lot of this is meta
I’m gunna try to shut up on the meta now

@Chloe

Oh fuck self-meta already
Did i already find a wolf

Bonk.
Made me wanna keep pressuring the slot.

@Leafia

You could say that my vote on her was an RT

You literally just said that its too early for RTs. You’re directly contradicting yourself.
And if this was an RT - what did you gain from it.

@Leafia

Yes. It feels like she just claimed it was an RT to justify the read. I did that a lot as scum in my scum games.

Holy shit the hypocrisy.
aaAAAAAAAAA

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Time for the next post.

Literally every time i think im catching up, there are 100+ more posts.
I might just go nocturnal and talk to the Europeans while the Americans are asleep
Least it’ll be less chaotic.

[Zone_Q11]

@Frostwolf103

Hilarious you asked that, I feel like I only need to quote only Leafia’s tenth post because Leafia explained what’s on their 1st post.

Did you read further than her 10th post?

[Alice]

…yeah, I want Leafia to be solved mechanically as of 470ish.

[ash4fun]

@Zone_Q11

I am curious. Now that Intensify has also claimed to be bled, what do you think of it?

@ash4fun

ftr I read intensify bleed as 99% always true–BD read them as HoB or vice versa

^^^^^^^^^

[Alice]

@Frostwolf103

I dont recall do mech posts other than that’s common knowledge, what do you mean by that? I feel like I should have contradicted my reasoning somewhere.

Looks like you’re actually wolfhunting by mech instead of just looking like it. Basically.

[ash4fun]

@Alice

@ash4fun

They look to me like they’re making comments that push their view, rather than things that suggest that they’re trying to make a view/find the right view.

I could probably substantiate it more but then I’d have to do iso stuff and I don’t know if I want to get into that yet…

Yeah, I’d like for you to do that.

Nyehhhhh…

okay

[Alice]

/vote Chloe

[Wazza]

@Alice

I’d like an explanation for each one of them.

Did you not read my post? I literally put the explanations in there.

Intensify - I believe is faking the read but the fact he talks about how he will die in 2 days makes me believe he doesn’t want healers to target him, thus making me believe he is Town.
SDA - Him not paying attention and being disassociated with the game is a towntell for him. Examples: Anonymous FM (Mafia, paid a lot of attention), JOAT^2 (Town, barely paid attention)
Vulgard - I believe his bleed, his reaction makes me think he is Town.

Zone - Not really got a read on him, he’s just mentioned in the post so I put him on there.

Alice - As stated, I believe you’re buddying up to him and planting the seeds for an easy pocket later on.
Leafia - I only really stated ‘Leafia acting scummy’ because it’s clear in their posts.
Seth/Surge - Like the Leafia one, I only really stated ‘Seth acting weird’, mainly because Seth always acts weird, but in this game it seems to be a different kind of weird, I’m unsure how to explain it.

Just so you know, it’s in alphabetical order, not order of reads.

[Intensify]

@Wazza

I believe is faking the read

Faking what read???

[Frostwolf103]

@Chloe

This line of thought doesn’t add up.

It does add up, what kind of groupscum it’s coming from is irrelevant. This is likely meant to bait people out depends their reaction so they can choose for their actions.

[Wazza]

@Intensify

Faking what read???

Bleed* whoops, my bad.

[ash4fun]

oop actually nvm bc ive got dinner

[Intensify]

Well, it doesn’t matter whether you believe it or not since I’m gonna die.

[Wazza]

You stating that is literally why I think you’re faking the bleed.