[SFoL] SFoL 67: Last Stand of the Virtuous III - Endgame - The Unseen and The Senex are victorious!

[an_gorta_pratai]

I think coconut is scummier

[Leafia]

Understandable.

[Aelin]

@an_gorta_pratai thoughts on Coconut/Leafia interactions

[Intensify]

@ATNoName

why should I be like the reads we have today? It’s Day 1.

It shouldn’t but the reasoning for the read is just badly wrong and isn’t really well thought out.

You have this read due to emotions (which is debateable in terms of how effective it is, especially on FoL) that doesn’t work because this slot would show almost the same amount of emotions as either alignment.

@CoconutsTasteBad

I’m heading out to sleep but if you need me for one more thing I’ll do it

I already listed out what I was expecting from you for this YBW wagon, looks like you didn’t deliver.

Disappointed.

@clonedcheese

Hi hello

I exist here now

Give me some spicy slots to read

Coconut, Ciri and uhh… Wazza/NoName I guess?

@Silviu200530

Hey what’s wrong? You said to look into my ISO, can you present what’s wrong with said ISO?

Ciri’s case against you seems to be that you haven’t done anything, so weh.

It’s… like whatever I guess.

I feel like it needs more push, but at the same time, it is true that you have 250 posts but 0 content.

@Silviu200530

As I said, I’m bad at reads because I put most people on null, you can’t turn this around me and say I’m evil because I don’t meet game expectations!

The expectation of the game is for you to make reads so uhhhhhhh

@Wazza

@CoconutsTasteBad

If people do not wish to vote on the people who are basically mech confirmed DoB in my eyes (Wazza, AT, and Amelia) then:

You’re frankly are obsessed with the idea of me being Scum, aren’t you?

You’re relying too much on pre-flips, something that will cause a loss, if we preflip everyone consistently, that’s just going to cause our death. We know GGhana is Scum and no one is preflipping him.

Also, if I really did bus GGhana, why would I bus him in a situation where I have a chance, a world and a wonder where ATNoName, a King who can protect me and make me immune to investigations as well as GGhana who would be on my team if your hypothesis is correct, Amelia, a Neutral who could possibly learn my alignment using their ability and aid me as well as others on our future endeavours and heal me to aid me even further and grant me the ability to bypass all immunities, another evil player if the world where GGhana was converted is correct or perhaps I already had someone else converted, and finally, I’d have GGhana on my side.

That is 5 other players who would/could aid me if I was evil and they were falling into the lines of being the same, which in all honesty if I was evil, I’d follow and take the gamble for. Why would you think I would bus GGhana in this situation where it could possibly be 1v5+(1)v10. That sounds ridiculous to throw those odds away. (The (1) is Amelia as they can aid both NK and BD/HoB), also to add on top, it could even be 1v5+(2)v9 depending on the 2nd Neut and if they exist. I would never throw these odds away and no one would either.

GGhana was, without a doubt in my mind, not bussed. I based him with a Neut and destroyed him with facts and logic and even before that when he claimed Poacher, I caught him out.

Also, one more thing, if I was evil, why the actual hell wouldn’t I leave GGhana to Duke? If he’s a convert, it’s not like my team could convert anyway, if he’s 2nd starting and I don’t have a convert, it’s not understandable and if he’s 2nd starting and I do have a convert, I suppose it is possible. But you’re assuming he’s Hunter in basically everything you say not to mention if I don’t leave GGhana to Duke, that gives me the issue of ‘I might be jailed and then possibly jail-exed’.

Ehhhhh…

If both Wazzers and GGhana are scum, I don’t think Wazzers bus’d GGhana, cause the interactions there are kinda wishy washy, but…

Some of the arguments in the defense are meh, the others are… shrug.

Like saying that you wouldn’t bus cause there’s potential evils that can grant faster majority in the second day is not the greatest defense in my opinion…

Also saying no one would throw out these chances is a bit overdone I feel like.

Personally, if I was scum in this situation, I wouldn’t rely on luck for Neutrals to side me or for King to be rand evil when it’s only a 40% chance compared to a 60% chance.

@Wazza

@Leafia @Intensify If you trust me, you have no reason to be on the YBW wagon. While frankly, I do not care if they’re the wagon, I’m not going to let a wagon happen via preflipping a player in someone’s own mind that not many people agree with. If you scumread me, go ahead and follow this wagon.

Chill, I’m just entertaining Coconut’s theory see how much he really believes it.

Leafia seems awfully easily convinced though… which is odd.

@Arctic

Votecount

Voted	Voters	Count
CoconutsTasteBad	clonedcheese, Wazza, Whysper, Bacon, YoubutWorse	5/9
PKR	Emilia	1/9
YoubutWorse	CoconutsTasteBad, Intensify	2/9
Silviu	Ciri	1/9
Ciri	Leafia	1/9
Not voting	ATNoName, YoubutWorse, Gorta, PKR, Amelia, Aelin, GGhana, Silviu

Slightly triggered that VC isn’t ordered from most votes to least but whatever.

@Aelin

Btw forgot who because you guys fucked up the quote walls incredibly badly
But I use she/her pronouns

I blame modern society.

@Aelin

@Intensify

@ATNoName

@Aelin

Are you that sad to have randed w with Ghana?

@Aelin

Emelia Ghana Amelia has at least 1, if not multiple non-town

thank you for coming to my TED talk
i will tunnel all of you, one by one.

@Aelin

not sure if you missed this ghana

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These posts are literally fluff or memes.

@Aelin

• That’s another game

• It was obviously a meme
• I didn’t act on it that game, nor did I give any indication of acting on it this game
• My fluffposting meta is nearly, if not, a year old
• How does that relate to “semi-lazy chaotic town meta” and

This is in response to me jokingly going "lol are you in that semi-lazy chaotci town meta’, so not really AI as well.

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@Aelin

Emilia, right now you’re my highest scumread. Tell me why I’m wrong.

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@Aelin

I was reading you as scum before you talked to me. Try again.

[/quote]

Doesn’t the second post basically make the first post a meme?

@Aelin

Poor tone at the start, visibly uncomfortable yet still trying to post, and now they’re clogging thread.

This is like, the only relevant thing so far and I assume it’s a read on Amelia.

No, they’re not fluff or memes. Those were my reads, and they’re looking pretty good so far.
Calling it “jokingly” is a blatant lie, since you tried and failed to back it up.
No, it’s me not dealing with the bullshit of “OMGUS”

Well I’m sorry it’s hard for me to tell when you this type of stuff along those reads.

@Aelin

thank you for coming to my TED talk
i will tunnel all of you, one by one.

@Aelin

/vote Intensify @EliThePsycho

Also what the hell is this vote.

How is that OMGUS…

At all.

Look if you’re triggered that I misinterpreted your reads, then I’m sorry but not everyone knows how you think or how you feel in your posts.

@Leafia

I trust you Wazza. It’s one of the reasons that I’m currently voting for Ciri who I think is pushing YBW in bad faith. More and more, Coconut is looking like a villager that had a rough start that has tunnel vision.

Wasn’t… Coconut pushing YBW???

@CoconutsTasteBad

Sigh I guess I should be on a working wagon
/vote Ciri @EliThePsycho @Arctic

Oh my god he re-evaluated.

Lockscum, town can’t re-evaluate.

For legal reasons this is a joke.

@Wazza

no I want Coconut dead lol

you can’t convince me to change

@Wazza

/vote Ciri @EliThePsycho

In fact. I’ve changed my mind.

Well that was… quick.

@Leafia

@Intensify Come join us on the Ciri wagon if you want help in determining Coconut’s alignment.

Shrugze.

/vote Ciri @EliThePsycho

I wanted to entertain Ciri’s Silvui wagon, but she’s not here right now.

If Ciri comes back later, I’ll go entertain her theory.

@an_gorta_pratai

let’s try something new, I do notice that Coconuts has tried to kill the king on d2 and called GGhana scum d1 (kind of TMI-ish)

Do you think both is TMI-ish, or only calling GGhana scum d1?

Also can you expand on the calling GGhana scum d1?

Do you believe them to be W/W, or T/W when you refer to TMI.

@an_gorta_pratai

ok, this is interesting, Coconut seems to go along with the poacher claim d1 (don’t know if this is before poacher was suggested)

Wut.

Didn’t everyone go along with the Poacher claim?

[Intensify]

Someone talk to me about Coconut’s re-evaluation of Wazzers I’m bored.

[Leafia]

@Intensify

Chill, I’m just entertaining Coconut’s theory see how much he really believes it.

Leafia seems awfully easily convinced though… which is odd.

I have quite a few games with Wazza, so it’s not too surprising if you think about it. I like to think that I can read her pretty well.

[Aelin]

@Intensify

Look if you’re triggered that I misinterpreted your reads, then I’m sorry but not everyone knows how you think or how you feel in your posts.

Honestly? The reason I’m voting you is for lying about your motivations behind the meta post, because it indicates you’re trying to make yourself look better (or… less bad…) despite not being under pressure.

[Intensify]

One more things to note actually.

If Ciri is on 7/9, don’t vote her please.

7/9 is enough for pressure but also for a wagon.

I know I don’t have to tell you all this, but don’t fricking hammer a wagon.

Thank you for coming to my ted talk

[ATNoName]

No

/vote Ciri

/unvote

[Leafia]

@Intensify

Wasn’t… Coconut pushing YBW???

Ciri is doing it too and Coconut doing it earlier just sounded like a misguided townie to me.

[Intensify]

: |

Reee

[Intensify]

Bruh moment.

It wasn’t a serious read at all.

I literally admitted I was wrong

[Aelin]

Incorrect ≠ Joking

[Intensify]

@Intensify

Are you still sticking with your semi-lazy chaotic town meta strat.

Does this look like a real read at all

[Aelin]

You literally read through another game trying to back it up bonk

[Intensify]

Bruh.

You literally asked me to because you wanted to see a quote.

Do you think I ever reread cringe games.

[Aelin]

yes

[Aelin]

ahem
If it was a joke why’d you go and try and find a quote instead of going “it was a joke”

[Bacon_is_Executed]

Good morning everyone, and holy hell those wall posts

[Wazza]

@Intensify

Well that was… quick.

I have thoughts on what I could do tonight.

That’s basically it, I’m debating to myself the next course of action afterwards.