[SFoL] SFoL 67: Last Stand of the Virtuous III - Endgame - The Unseen and The Senex are victorious!

[Leafia]

Hmmm, this actually makes a lot of sense. Sorry for doubting you Wazza.

[Leafia]

Ah. That explains him being in the game now.

[Intensify]

@ATNoName

nah I think Intensify is NK

@KyoDaz

@ATNoName

nah I think Intensify is NK

I think Intensify could actually be NK that genuinely scumreads me and is now caught offguard by the coconuts W flip and now has to fake his read today because he’s scared he’ll be scumread for it if he was to give bad progression and flip his read to townread me

???

You claim I don’t believe my posts, and now you claim I might be NK that genuinely thinks you’re scum?

OKAY BUD.

Also you say I’m caught off gaurd by Coconut’s W flip, when literally I was scumleaning them yesterday and had a case.

[KyoDaz]

@Intensify

You claim I don’t believe my posts, and now you claim I might be NK that genuinely thinks you’re scum

I don’t believe your posts today. I believe that you could’ve believed your posts yesterday.

[KyoDaz]

(in reply to Intensify)

[KyoDaz]

Also @Amelia why didn’t you vote yesterday?

[Intensify]

What.

So you believe I believe my Ciri scumread yesterday but don’t believe my Ciri scumread today???

[Leafia]

Okay. I’ll do that later when I have time.

[Amelia]

I forgot

[Leafia]

How does that make sense?

[ATNoName]

Intensify has been howling since D2. Since they’re not aligned with Coconut and all neut slots are taken, they have to be NK.

[KyoDaz]

Yep. I think it’s a likely possibility that you did scumread Ciri yesterday and was then caught off-guard by a coconuts W flip.
Your reluctance to re-evaluate today is so far out to sea that I don’t believe you genuinely believe your scumread anymore.
Feel like it could be you just being hesitant to change any read in fear of being scumread for progression on my slot as NK.

[Intensify]

What does Coconut’s flip change anything about how I read your slot.

Buddy, you literally townread Coconut for being TWTBAW, and then immediately rescinded once you realized that you were dying over him.

Your reconsideration of my slot also sucks.

[Intensify]

Ciri Case

This is scum.

Allow me to explain.

Part 1:
Let’s start with their read on me.

@Ciri

kinda getting w vibes from Intensify

@Ciri

/vote intensify

the more they post the more i want them to die

It’s not fleshed out, and even after asking, she still hasn’t given us any examples of her thought process or why she thought this read.

@Ciri

@Intensify

Leaf is scum.

They just contradicted themselves

just checked the posts you’re referring to; leafia only mentioned thinking king knows their partners; not that their partners know the king.
this post feels like scum reaching for whatever they can to scumread someone
leafia is v if intensify flips w

Now this is the first post they actually mentioned for reasons of wolfreading me.

There’s 2 problems.

1. This example is really bad and takes things out of context. They think me seeing a contradiction and using it as a scumread is scummy, when if you look at the context, me literally finding a contrdiction in Leafia’s posts would’ve meant that she was scum who was trying to derpclear herself.

2. I just realized this recently, but the post I made that they’re talking out, was made after she made that W read on me, meaning that this isn’t even part of her reasoning, which leaves more holes in her reads that don’t seemingly get explained ever.

@Ciri

@Whysper i for some reason no longer have the notification of a reply to you but when backreading during the night i remembered that you asked me to give my reasoning as to why intensify has weird vibes
it’s because his posts feel very ‘performative’, although i think a better word to describe them would be ‘fabricated’
an example of this would be how he phrases his post on leafia giving a contradiction as meaning they’re solid scum
the way his posts are don’t sit right with me

I don’t know about you, but like I literally said, they made their first W read post on me, before I even talked about contrdictions. As you can see, they are literally lying about why they’re wolfreading me.

Either that, or their read is extremely baseless as they only provide one fricking example.

@Ciri

hmm
this whole gghana situation doesn’t sit right with me
if gghana flips exactly hunter (not duelist) wazza should die
this thing reeks of a bus
hunter is pretty useless and very bussable
duelist is not too bad tho, personally wouldn’t choose to bus a duelist gghana here

Also.

While I’m going through this ISO.

I’ll mention how this post is extremely bad and scummy.

Ciri thinks it’s a buss if GGhana flips GS…

This feels like they just want to take away credibility from Wazzer’s flip.

Literally if it was a buss, there would’ve been so many better ways for Wazzer’s and GGhana to buss rather than this random mech crap.

Part 2: Their voting patterns.

@Ciri

I am here very, very temporarily
and now that GT is over I am going to
/vote Intensify

@Ciri

actually no i’m also going to follow along with a pkr wagon
/vote pkr

These are Ciri’s first posts where she votes.
Keep in mind these are at the start of the day, and are literally like 1 minute apart.

@Ciri

vote on PKR isn’t me scumreading them, it’s entirely me sheeping emilia to get the ball rolling as that trial just wasted half of our day without any wagons

@Ciri

and i wanted a wagon started for vca

@Ciri

i haven’t read a single pkr post as i said i voted them to start a wagon quickly as the time for that was wasted on grand trial

@Ciri

so offering a pkr wagon to certain people would give us info if someone wanted to make it a 3 man wagon etc. etc.

This is Ciri’s reasoning.

Right off the bat, these excuses are bad.

I’ve explained them before, and I’ll explain again.

Their excuse basically boils down to:
“I want to create a PKR wagon for VCA analysis.”

The first thing I say is: Literally vote me if you want a good VCA analysis. I’m your scumread, I’m like 99% your VCA analysis would be better on a scumread rather than a null vote you’re randomly sheeping."

Some people defend this as it being RVS or whatever, but literally wtf is Ciri doing then trying to analyize RVS.

They try to defend themselves again later, but their reasoning isn’t good

@Ciri

@Intensify

And you can start a wagon on me as well?

i mean i did and then considered that a 1 2 man wagon was a better move to make than 2 1 man wagons for, as i said, vca

It’s so… black and white and ignores everything that’s happening in thread. It’s literally “2 > 1, therefore I do X because 2 is better than 1”. You literally have a scumread on me, decide to ignore it, and vote a Null slot even though you can just as easily vote me and start a wagon.

Ciri doesn’t believe their own read on me.

This is also another horrible defense:

@Ciri

okay you’re clearly just trying to refute my points without considering the logic at this point
i voted pkr because of a trick in the theatre (literally, i am not joking)
when you walk into a theatre, you are greeted by two vending machines. one is pepsi and the other is coke. the immediate question you tend to ask yourself is (this is psychologically proven) “do i want pepsi or coke?” regardless of whether or not you are thirsty
if you don’t like pepsi you’d pick coke and vice versa right?
okay, now let’s say there’s one vending machine. it’s coke.
the question you ask yourself is “am i thirsty / do i want coke?”
now, if you don’t want coke, you look at other options.
turn this into the exact reason i voted pkr
if i voted intensify, i would give people the option of intensify or pkr and they would likely vote either of them even if it’s not their strongest read
this is absolutely terrible for vca
instead, i gave people the option of creating their own counterwagon so i’d be able to gain info on alignments from that, which, well, has led to a coconut wagon apparently
i need to backread to draw conclusions from this

It boils down to “If I voted you, then people would only vote you or PKR,” which is… mind boggling considering that we literally still had 48 hours in the day, and votes aren’t locked at all.

Everything about Ciri’s voting pattern doesn’t make sense, and it’s covered up by bad excuses.

This vote is bad.

Part 3: Reconsideration of reads.
This is their reconsideration of my slot + Coconut’s, after I push them for these scummy things.

@Ciri

okay i backread and actually think intensify might flip v if coconuts flips v which i think is the likely outcome unfortunately
which means i no longer want an intensify counterwagon to this wagon
/unvote

@Ciri

i think that coconuts is v
and a coconuts v world means you are more likely to be town than i thought you were initially thanks to vca:tm:

@Ciri

which is why you are a bad counterwagon to coconuts for me at least if that makes sense

@Ciri

it’s entirely a gut ‘twtbaw’, if they were to die i wouldn’t be particularly saddened considering their flip helps me solve intensify but at the same time i want a stable counterwagon because i think coconut flipping v is a very real possibility that shouldn’t be ignored, i’d rather someone else die

@Ciri

the reason for this is that intensify was on a 1 man wagon rather than reinforcing any of the existing wagons which scum would want to do to seal in a ml’s fate, and intensify had multiple opportunities to do so
yet continued to vote myself

this analysis is what me voting pkr generated for myself

Considering Coconut’s flip, this 180 looks bad. The reasoning sucks. It’s a TWTBAW read. And they go back on this 10 seconds later once they see they’re top wagon : |

They’re reasoning for re-evalauting me as well is really bad. Because I stayed on Ciri, I look good because I would’ve been reinforcing the existing wagons to “seal a ML’s fate.” It doesn’t consider anything (for example, the fact that I might’ve been away for a short period, leading a result, and it feels more like Ciri begging me to validate her as town for this read.

Part 4: Pointless claim
Don’t have much to say but… jesus this is a bad claim.

@Ciri

actually, i will also hardclaim that i can solve the bleed on gorta provided it’s not nightshade curse’d as well

@Ciri

because then i self-resolve tonight

@Ciri

i am, in fact, claiming

self-resolving:tm:

Why.

Like why.

Ever.

@Ciri

outing is always dumb but i had 6 people voting me
my hands were tied, and i needed to make sure that i’m not going to be jailed
inb4 duke is converted and i get slaughtered tonight

I cringe reading this.

You’re afraid you can’t heal Gortas bleed so you can self-resolve, when there’s literally a modconfirmed Neutral who was claiming they were gonna heal them.

Part 5: Other stuff

Other stuff that should be noted.

I will note, I am talking about all the bad things about this slot, and that looks a bit biased at first, but literally nothing about this slot gives me towny vibes or has towny posts other than possibly their beggining reads and takes.

@Ciri

/pardon
I very much doubt the Duke is converted

This post pings me the wrong way, but probably isn’t scummy.

Conclusion: This slot needs to die.

Like… there’s so many things wrong with this slot.
Their read on me.
Their voting patterns.
Their wierd re-consideration of Coconut’s and mine slot?
Their claim.

It doesn’t help that Kyo doesn’t make them look better.

Kyo’s accusation is that I don’t believe my read on them… but I do yesterday.

Refute these points please.

I know you’re not Ciri, but it doesn’t help Ciri didn’t explain much of them well either.

[Leafia]

I doubt it. I can’t really see an NK Intensify world after looking at his slot last night. He just didn’t have that NK energy to him. I can’t quite explain it. Possible groupscum I guess, but even that’s a stretch.

As for YouButWorse, I think he looks a bit scummy too so I don’t mind him being the elimination. He’s my current top scumread after reading through a few slots last night after all. /vote YouButWorse @EliThePsycho

[Leafia]

Coconut flipped BD.Bacon is still alive.

[ATNoName]

like I said, replace Bacon with Coconut. I don’t know why I typed Bacon.

[Intensify]

I’m going to eat dinner.

I expect answers when I’m back Mr. Kyodaz.

For now, I encourage people to look at my case and vote Kyo.

[Leafia]

How have they been howling? I don’t really see it. If they’re NK, their play would be nearly indistinguishable from their play as a villager so they wouldn’t be howling.

[Bacon_is_Executed]

still dont know what RVS is