SFoL62 - Regal Lions - Cult and Oneiromancer Victory!

[CRichard564]

Well I have a feeling blizer simply not there.
It’s almost as though something happened N1 (conversion?) resulting in them mentally checking out.
In any case I’d like to see that slot resolved one way or the other.

[Chloe]

Im mostly fine with a Blizer execution

I just
Eh

I dont really like the idea of killing someone who hasnt defended themself

[CRichard564]

@Chloe

I dont really like the idea of killing someone who hasnt defended themself

Yeah except unless they log on soon, that’s the most likely outcome the way things are going.

[EightySecond]

I know part of why people were against a Wazza lynch was that it gave us little information, I don’t think Blizer gives us much in that department either.

I wouldn’t mind casting a vote there but I’ve already complained enough about this trial shit.

[CRichard564]

I mean except for PKR, Traveler, 101 and Jane no one can vote.
So yeah I’d like to see more talk from those 4 on who should be voted out.

[Chloe]

I put highway in my PoE as a nullread because I have mostly forgotten what they have said - as their voice has been drowned out by others, and everything i do remember them saying i believe could come from scum too.
So heres a re-eval

@highway_101

think half of the takes that already exist are hot garbage and way too strong at this point of the game to be able to be taken seriously
‘weird posts’ are about where I’m at with some people

134
168

229 (mentioning controversially is strange. town usually don’t care significantly about their appearance when they make calls)

63
125
+pkr just hard focusing on somebody they proceed to get incredibly frustrated with. that progression felt snappy, like they were already springloaded to set themselves off
311
356 (last part feels like the actual reason for the read and that’s far from ai)

365 (but like why though)
rest of UT feels lackluster
like, I don’t actually dislike pkr’s slot since they are actively doing things
but UT is just ‘there’ beyond opener
I feel nothing when I read them
there’s an extra level of process to what they’re doing and as such I feel like all of their posts have an artificial feel
I do like the post about mode changing their read because they though UT was scum though
hmm

55 (what the fuck)
64 (non-committal as fuck. not necessarily terrible)
361 (then why not say that they are in village meta directly)
I generally vibe with their posts, but there’s a decent amount of stuff that just looks eh

Mode being seth means that their alignment should be obvious later on and I’m not going to hedge a read early because that’s asking to get your ass kicked

I was trying to ISO chloe in order to determine why I feel vaguely concerned about their slot moreso than others, and I couldn’t quite put a finger on why
Couldn’t find anything in particular

I’ll be honest and say that when I saw this post, I was too lazy to go find all the post numbers being referenced
But i just went through them and i found that the posts they saw as weird, i saw as weird too
Issa good look

@highway_101

blizer’s posting isn’t coming of as forced or anything similar
it’s content and it’s all content that doesn’t suck

I disagree with this
At this point in the game, Blizer hadn’t posted a single read other than his “reads” on Centuries’ and PKR’s openers
And there was no conclusion to the Centuries analysis, just that Centuries seemed weird

I’d love to hear what you consider “content that doesnt suck” from Blizer before this point

@highway_101

Chloe seems very fine surface level
But I don’t feel like any of their content isn’t fakeable as scum

This is mainly pulling from my own experience and not a deep dive on their individual posts
It’s a lot of ‘advice’ and a lot of discussion
After some thought I think where I was coming from was that their posts don’t have heart to them
None of their posts hit me as ‘this cannot be scum’
And their macro doesn’t feel that way either
ftr I’m not scumreading them
They haven’t done anything worth that

I actually felt this way about this slot for a while as well - that none of their content isnt fakeable as scum.

What i do like is that every post they have made seems to have a purpose- and there isnt pointless fluff. They also are providing new takes without fear.

@highway_101

I’m trying to get you to show if you care about how other people think of you and if you know what’s up with the dynamics that you’re creating
ftr this isn’t useful now
it’ll be useful eventually

I do like that his RT had reasoning and it doesnt seem fake as shit. Its easy for scum to bullshit RTs and pretend to get things out of it - but he admitted the information isnt useful atm rather than coming up with a BS conclusion like most scum would

I think this looks good
Also
I am curious if he finds the reaction useful now

@highway_101

I’m going to macro them later
Their tone is weird and I think everything should be obvious later

for now they’ve been engaged so I’m kind of okay with them living

This quote doesnt mean much in particular, but reading it reminded me that I like the fact that they are asking for macro reads on slots, and providing macro reads of their own
Feel like scum usually push on a few posts from townies that could be seen as scummy, rather than saying how it makes sense in the grand scheme of things

TLDR: scum usually focus on micro reasons to push townies. use of macro is a good look imo

@highway_101

but realistically
what macro case is there for an arete scum world

Oh nvm this is literally the next post LMFAO

@highway_101

why is that scum over disinterested townie
defaulting to trying to clear yourself mechanically makes sense in disinterested arete world

I like that they tried to get me to view arete from a different perspective

This is probably NAI - but i did appreciate it. Made me realize i wasnt looking at the bigger picture

@highway_101

hing I didn’t like from tbe is that I felt the general vibe of ‘extremely concerned with how people see their slot’ from many of their posts today

I didnt actually notice this about TBE before they said it
And now i start to see it too

I like that they are coming in with unique takes and havent sheeped consensus like… at all?

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I like this slot
I had my doubts

But yeah
I like it

Solid Townlean
Want em to keep it up

Also i just noticed this is about to send as a reply - but im lazy
So
Reply it is

[Arete]

I’m probably going to sleep soon

does anyone actually care if I show up to EoD to neut at people, or not really

[CRichard564]

@EightySecond

I know part of why people were against a Wazza lynch was that it gave us little information, I don’t think Blizer gives us much in that department either.

I wouldn’t mind casting a vote there but I’ve already complained enough about this trial shit.

You see Wazza is trying to help town after being pressured.
Blizer on the other hand? Nope.
Need I say more?

[Chloe]

Time for tired chloe to eval math/tbe

jwodkelwldj

@mathmods

Myself - Silent guy who suddenly decided to try and read people even though he is utterly horrible at it. Slightly meread

@Arete

First

Instascum (Too litle to say anything about Arete.)

Anstreim - Passive for now, too little to say.

Eighty - Unsure. Seems to be new-ish?

Blizer - Attempted to metaread Centuries aggresively. Kind of unsure on purpose and result. Leaning towards town for now.

Psycho - New. Unsure.

Unknown - Weird slip-ups (Cent and him not GS, Seth backing off and him saying it was because he was probably evil.) Otherwise good thinking and actions. For now assuming an uncertain stance towards him.

Centuries - Getting a tad aggressive on accusations against them.

Chloe - Shooting down bad logic and attempting to get people on board. Overall good, leaning towards town for now.

A_g_p - Not sure.

Apprentice - Weird opener

Wazza - Too little to say.

Jane - Slightly confusing. Not sure if this is his personality or not, but assuming it is as no one is commenting on this.

Seth - Assuming he is evil for now. His actions in the beginning were uninformed (or masked as uninformed for evil purposes), thus making it NAI, but him constantly baiting PKR into a long hyperposting act isn’t exactly good.

@PokemonKidRyan

But whenever I get suspected, I end up getting into a corner and lose sight of what to do.

PKR - Getting incensed over Seth’s provocation makes me unsure of him, but I’m leaning towards town for now.

Highway - Weird introduction, but letting it slide. Uncertain for now.

CRichard - Detailed analysis of what happened while they were away. Leaning town for now.

Contains a lot of “for-now’s”
(I realized I was inactive for most of today as I had nothing to really add…)

Literally every single read is hedge
There are no conclusions

@Apprentice

Can someone evaluate whether my tinfoil is a good read or just me being weird

@mathmods

I think it is it’s own tangent, It’s a suspicion we could go off of, or we could try to find something more concrete to base our next actions on.

This is completely unnecessary
There was no point saying this

@mathmods

Regarding Apprentice there was too little on them, their opening post was weird, but probably NAI. Regarding Centuries, I had no idea what to think of him other than him being slightly aggressive towards the SR’s. I don’t know if that is AI for them or not so it’s just something noted and I keep an uncertain stance towards them.

This is probably a shitty point but
The fact that they are using terms like NAI, SR, AI, etc, without asking for definitions, shows that they have enough FM knowledge that i dont think i should brush off the hedge as newbtown

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This is all i got out of math’s ISO
everything else is NAI or I didnt think it was important enough to include

I hate this iso
Theres literally nothing good in it
By EoD i had a scumlean on this slot

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@TheBlueElixir

what do you believe the singular greatest behavioral difference between this game and SFoL 61.5 for you

@TheBlueElixir

meta bad

but im also remember thinking W!Cent is real at the start

Lul
Yo whats yo meta
Next post:
Meta bad

Also this question seemed useless
Curious what he got out of it

@TheBlueElixir

gonna look through math’s own ISO now

(just feels like I should do it, see if ive softed and whatnot)

I dont like that he felt the need to say this
Like
Just do it
It feels kinda self-aware
Why do you need to tell us youre doing this

@TheBlueElixir

you sit on the sides when arguments and debates take place, seeing none of the vocal and empowered Centuries that not only makes sure their voice is heard but is in control

from what ive read, you seem to be more focused on getting by

I agree and agreed with this take

@TheBlueElixir

emilia plays FM?

@TheBlueElixir

@ChopChop

Emila

Emelia

I did agree with arete that this post makes them unlikely W/W
But after reading through his ISO
He spelled her name right earlier
This could 100% be fake lmao

In WoW i spelled Genn as Glenn as a bullshit way to distance myself from LW

@TheBlueElixir

oh yeah, and I was voting App as an RT for Cent to see if they’d follow through with thinking their top wolf might not be a wolf but its taking too long

He dropped the vote and outted the RT after an hour
Thats not that long lmfao

Im gettinf exhausted so i need to stop
I cant think properly and it wont help anything to continue rn

Atm i have weird vibes from this slot
Just from the things i quoted above i have this in the null-zone with a slight scumlean

I like that hes been active in thread but i dont think activity is AI for him

I’ll finish this later

[Chloe]

I personally dont care

You do you boo

[Chloe]

What interactions do you believe we get out of a Blizer execution if he flips scum

Like
If you were to ISO Blizer right now who could you see as a potential scumbud with them if they flipped W

Yes this is pre-flipping
But im curious

[Chloe]

Do keep in mind that you should not use this as a basis for scumreadkng anyone

Because we dont know what blizer will flip

In fact i probably shouldnt have asked this at all

Yeah
Actually
Dont preflip

Just remember that Blizer hasnt done a whole lot of anything, so its hard to find interactions - distancing and agenda and all that - if he flips W

But ye
A wolf out is a wolf out

[CRichard564]

It doesn’t help that only 4 people can vote to execute anyone, so wagonomics is out the window for D2. So I’d look for anyone who tried to soft/hard defend Blizer for associations.
Otherwise it kinda sucks we don’t have wagonomics.

[Chloe]

Yes

Also you reminded me that i wanna re-eval Seth and try to figure out if hes a dumb townie like i expect
Or if hes just a wolf

Wish i had more energy or i’d do that right now
But it isnt a priority since hes king and we arent killing him today

But i think everyone should do some analysis on the slot

[CRichard564]

@Chloe

Also you reminded me that i wanna re-eval Seth and try to figure out if hes a dumb townie like i expect
Or if hes just a wolf

Sure that can be done. Though as I said before, EK is never 1st priority and we should be concentrating on finding the group scum and NK. If game hasn’t ended after the evils are dead, then we vote the King er I mean Lord out.
ToL experience coming in here.

[Jane]

@Arete

how about the four people that can actually vote to execute people all, like, post their list of People They’d Be Willing To Execute Today

because with the amount of people with a pet PoE townread they’re vetoing the pool of people who you might in theory agree on is small

@PokemonKidRyan @highway_101 @Jane @UnknownTraveler

Just… whoever gets the most “votes”.

Like how this day should’ve gone.

I like what Wazza has done recently, so I want to execute within Blizer/TBE rn.

/Unofficially Vote Blizer

@Jane

Vote Count

Votee	Voted By	Votes
Wazza	Emilia, Arete, TheBlueElixir, EightySecond	4/10
Blizer	PokemonKidRyan?, Anstreim, UnknownTraveler?, Jane	4?/10
Centuries	Chloe	1/10

[Chloe]

Eh put me unofficially on blizer

Centuries isnt gettin anywhere

I still dont think Blizer is showing up by EoD
But it’d be cool if he did

Do ya need me for anything rn or can i do the

[Jane]

@Chloe

I still dont think Blizer is showing up by EoD
But it’d be cool if he did

Yeah.

Imagine if PoE actually cared about getting out of it.

@Chloe

Do ya need me for anything rn or can i do the

Don’t think so?

[Jane]

Vote Count

Votee	Voted By	Votes
Wazza	Emilia, Arete, TheBlueElixir, EightySecond	4/10
Blizer	PokemonKidRyan? , Anstreim, UnknownTraveler? , Jane, Chloe	5/10

@highway_101

Can you please pop-in to vote whoever is top wagon (Hopefully Blizer) at that time?

[CRichard564]

I’m going to /Unofficially Jettison Blizer @Jane