(I was replying to @anon6348071)
skipping arete and me
PKR
anon6348071:Still, this whole bleed/mech discussion doesnāt really bring much ā itās just empty theorizing.
It is important to consider every possibility imo.
Sorry if that annoyed you but I thought it is somewhat useful as every card is laid out on the table for us all to see.
PokemonKidRyan:I had Arete as one of my townreads
Care to expand on others?
Chloe and Jane were high ones and sure I can expand upon them.
I also like Centuries and PK.
Chloe - I made this post earlier on but this is mostly a comparison to Insurgency!Chloe and Chloe this game. Chloe has been relaxed and I know how she panicked before when she was a scum member in Insurgency. I doubt that she would have significantly calmed down to the point where her tone this game is completely different and she is playing as if nothing bad could happen. I will be watching out for how her tone shifts if it does, as that could be from conversion but for now I like this slot.
Jane - Jane this game has helped out a lot . Questioning people as appropriate and due to that giving town more information to go off. This might just be scum!Jane trying to get cheap cred but I think tonally it is sound overall.
Centuries and PK are mostly gutreads because we have mindmelded multiple times and I think I would meld more with people that are the same faction as me. The tone in their posts is also genuine. I do not sense any bad intentions behind them ^^
You should do a slot for claims.
Like if we do have that dark thingy, there is 0 doubt they would ISO dive everyone to find claims.
I am glad that my analysis of all possible bleeders has somewhat come in useful here.
Though it would be even better if we knew what faction we are facing.
anon6348071:Do you think we have two town bleeders?
It is technically possible.
But I doubt you were bled by town due to reasons that EightySecond already covered.
I guess, since WIFOM means scum cannot really confirm what to do or not to do.
Blizer
Iām assuming they had Condemnation used on them, not Hasty Sentence.
Else Janeās visit would fail from what I understand.
Oh yea, Hasty Sentence is a day ability
hmm, then, i guess yea that wouldnt make sense if she knew what Jane did.
Heās more of a nulltown than pure null to me because while I did like his posts around EoD, I still kinda want more.
Also metaā¢ talk incoming, but Iāve had some trouble reading him in the games I spectated, so I want to hold off and read deeper into his interactions.
Not to mention that Iām still waiting on cases from people that SLād him on D1 ā iirc there were 5(?) or so, and you are the only one I explicitly remember reevaluating.
Alright, thats understandable tbh.
Cents is townlean atm after going through yesterday again
Jane
anon6348071:UnknownTraveler
Iām pretty sure you had this as a scumlean EoD1.
What about them changed your mind overnight?
anon6348071:Gorta
Also I thought Gortaād be higher tbh.
anon6348071:Iām not really seeing the TMI here?
Is it really that hard to see that only villagers have actual reads?
anon6348071:In your eyes them discrediting you is calling your conclusion OMGUS, correct?
Yes.
anon6348071:This is problematic because they have to keep adding people to the sphere and if they die, then everyone in said sphere dies as well.
Thatās why I didnāt want CRich to out it and I want people to stop talking about it.
anon6348071:Give me your opinion on Blizer when you catch up.
I will.
I mean, do you really think CRich and me would fake being in dream sphere, (outing both of us as wolves if itās ever disproven) just to get Arete to be a confirmed Neutral?
anon6348071:What do you make of it?
Iām pretty sure I recall them saying they townleaned Centuries but voted them as a reactiontest for Apprentice. Donāt think much of it.
Iāve read Centās wolfgame on Mafia Colosseum, and itās pretty different to what theyāre doing here. Could be because of low WiM, but wouldnāt lynch it today.
anon6348071:I think this only makes sense if we suspect TBE to be NK, since Iād expect him to look through scumchat/ask his scumbuddies about his slot if he was scum?
/shrug
Maybe.
anon6348071:I personally interpreted that more as him wondering if Centuries was widely SRād or not to know if the wagon would be vanity or not.
I mean, he could just vote on a not-vanity wagon closer to EoD then?
Which one of Blizer/TBE do you think is scummier?
anon6348071:Really hope they do show up in the thread again.
I mean, if they donāt, Iām going to be very mad at them because that means we no exe today.
anon6348071:Jane, could I get your top 3/bottom 3 too?
I donāt really do 3x3ās, but if I had to make one, itād probably look something like this:
You
Chloe
CRich (Could be substituted for 82/101)Wazza? (I donāt actively scumread them, but theyāre less villagery than most others.)
TBE
Blizer
Still find it curious that you seem to think TBE is scummy.
TheBlueElixir:im interested in consensus
this is just a thing
id like to know what others think of the person I SRād
TheBlueElixir:I wanna know what my slot has done
imagine you had a modpeek on a slot
why would you not re-read them
I mean, their answers here seem more like excuses than actual reasons.
TheBlueElixir:W!Cent, if V!App, would be more likely to let it go, or say āim not sure about thatā rather then saying flatly, ādont sheep meā, āwhyā
Also, I donāt think Centuries even reacted to it? Which would be more in line with what he thought W!Cent would do, but he still thinks theyāre a villager?
TheBlueElixir:well I wont tunnel you this time, go at it
I also donāt think V!TBE would react like this, since they would know that theyāre a bad push.
/shrug
It miight just be their playstyle, but they donāt seem very town-motivated to me.
Eighty
anon6348071:But yeah, I definitely want to see more from them today.
I did concoct a readlist last night.
Iām assuming that was the only post that you inherently disliked and the rest is just pure gut?
The āmindmeldā joke is quite frequent here by the way. That post didnāt really strike me as something unusual.
I seem to recall there being more than that one post, however that was the biggest offender to me.
If that is a recurring joke on this website then consider him an even lighter SR/a Nullread.
Iāll probably look at it again after I eat lunch.
Their defense of me is interesting, but I think mostly NAI as they seem fairly objective throughout.
Iām getting ready to sleep, so I donāt have time to dig through your ISO.
Have you explained why gorta is so high on your readlist yet?
Meta and towntells arenāt exactly what I was hoping to hear, but Iāll keep that in mind I suppose!
I feel like that slot has gone very under the radar, which is a bit concerning.
Okay, Iāve found the FoL class card thread so I can be less confused.
Butler is a roleblocker who has a guilty vig on the King, Knight is an elite bodyguard ā and this Summoner class has a bit of both of those things.
That class seems quite strong to me, although Iām not very versed in rolemadness!
My only argument against this is that if they are actually bleeding, thereās a decent chance nobody bothers healing them. In which case, the guilty part of a guilty vig is mostly mitigated when youāre poisoned, and I have my reservations on Mode and their alignment.
I have to be up in 7 hours so itās bedtime for me, but Iām personally not against Magnus using Ignobleās Dust today.
At the end of the day, heās either evil or a hindrance, and mislynching a Venerable Lord seems to have bigger drawbacks than misvigging them if youāre Magnus.
What a fun 3p to play with.
Theyāre bulletproof tonight and tomorrow night, and if we kill them we lose two of my highest townreads?
Damn.
I feel like Iām a bit obligated to give them a pass since my picture is of an interstate and they are a highway.
Jokes aside, Iām not looking too deep into it for now, their posting today has seemed consistent with their posting on D1, and I donāt dislike it.
I could go into more detail you just asked Chloe for her opinion on 101, so I wonāt give her any freebies to look at.
But his majesty brought us a day of a likely forced NL!
Surely this is for the best, as 18 people alive is more than 17!
Petty sarcasm aside, this kind of saps the motivation I have into playing the game today.
That seems pretty unlikely to be a town bleed, given the accusations of you being converted were shut down long ago so the timeframe for a town motivated bleed on you has passed.
Chloe
[quote=āChloe, post:1066, topic:82666ā]
UnknownTraveler:I know I did say T/T before, but that was assuming that was the same as saying not W/W
[/quote]Read fake to you?
I mean
They never said T/T before
And in that post they said āi know i did say T/T beforeā
So yeah it reads as fake? They dont know what stance they took and it seems like agreeing with me just to agree
Even though they didnāt understand a word i was saying
I donāt want for this to turn into another Trial By Council derailment that brought nothing and shouldāve been dropped after literally 3 posts.
I mean
I dont see us getting a ton out of this until seth responds
Which is why i pinged himAlso squabbling about allies isnt nonsense? Seth picked horrible allies targets and i want his reasoning
I also want to know what he thinks happened in alliesWe have plenty of time to spare and it happens to be the topic atm
If you want to focus on ātrying to solveā thenā¦ try to solve?
Also
Stop saying youre āgoing to cut back on posting for real nowā
Just do it lmao
anon6348071:I asked people to reevaluate during EoD yesterday and it feels like barely any people did.
Can we stop this and instead think of a way to progress?
Ans have you thought about a way to progress?
This kinda feels like saying things just to say things
But its not changing the state of the thread
If you want change
Start itAyaya
anon6348071:Iāve literally said yesterday that something is lacking and Iām trying to find a way to remedy that.
The way I tried to remedy it on D1 was by interacting with people.
The way Iām trying to remedy it right now is thinking on what we can discuss.Understandable
Lemme know what you come up withI just think that until we have something else to discuss
We talk about the topic on hand, which is allies anon6348071:Not to mention that you say youād like to ask Seth why he picked those two ā but heās very obviously not present in the thread right now.
I already pinged him im just waitin
In fact
Lets go for numero dos
@ModeShifter why did you pick these two players for allies
Chloe:
Chloe:Dont push people unless its to execute imo
Also Chloe:
Chloe:Also yeah i guess vote peeps for pressure
Im
Allowed to change my mind
Why is this so fluffy
You dont need all these words
You know you dont need all these wordsNobody wants to read all these words
(Im only quoting this part because the post is huge)
I skimmed it
You have too many words
I dont like
anon6348071:NK hunting doesnāt always mean killing off towncore? But Iām absolutely against actively focusing on NK ahead of groupscum for obvious reasons.
I mean just from experience
NK tends to be townread since they dont have TMI
and it shouldnt be the main focus this early unless someone has a mechanical lead anon6348071:Except meta is the only thing we can use to supplement our reads right now and thatās what I (and a few others) have been doing so far.
We have no voting.
We have no deaths.
We have no NKA.Itās tone, meta, interactions.
Could you show me which precise posts felt pockety to you?Yes
And his take on me is just comparing this game to a single past game
Just king a townie
4head
After they outted as OwOmancer they said they still view my read as fake
anon6348071:Do you realize that if they think someone is obvious town and they want to scumside, then they just donāt add them to the sphere to begin with?
Ive read this 5 times and i actually cant comprehend it
Im just gunna
Drop this shitCuz im confused and probably overthinking
anon6348071:because the scum can do it for them and they can add someone they perceive as scum instead?
I viewed their read on me (in hindsight - after they outted) as mostly genuine
Which is why i was confused why they would push me rather than adding me to sphereBut yeah im starting to understand now
Im having a blonde moment
Yeah idk anymore
I was just trying to understand their thought process
Because im town
But they say they scumread me
But i wouldnt have said i scumread me if i were areteIm trying to word
But word no work
anon6348071:Shows me that not only you didnāt read 61, you didnāt read through my posts on Seth either.
I literally told you several times, that:
I read your posts
I skimmed through a majority of the game last night - and before i went to sleep said i wanted to re-read seth because he might just be a wolf
Your posts did influence that
But ive played 2 wolfgames with seth and his activity hasnt been a tell. But yes 61 is probably the best to go off of since he was EK, so imma check that out again. I skimmed it before but (admittedly) was mostly looking for differences in your behavior
anon6348071:Iām curious to know ā what did you expect to gain from this?
hey i just asked this too, in my last wall. ayaya
anon6348071:I thought there was a noticeable difference but I guess itās just me.
Fair, I suppose ā Iām just saying that Iām not as sure on him as I was on D1.
I mean maybe youre right and im being stupid
Its worth another look anon6348071:Iād like to hear your conclusions on this as well.
Sure. It was pretty early into the game so i just jotted down a few notes, and didnt have a lot to compare it to. Might take a 2nd look while checking out Seth as well.
- Opener is consistent regardless of alignment. NAI
- Self-awareness - āim tiredā, etc - doesnāt seem to be a huge tell
- Postcount is NAI
- a few other possible wolftells that im not going to say, but havent seen them enough to be mega concerned
anon6348071:So I was just bled.
Literally just now.
Shit sorry i dropped my scissors
Jokes aside though its likely from scum
I also wanna like
Really quickly point out a possibility (that is rather unlikely) that this is faked and Ans is NK or something. But lets not play under that assumption
Mostly just putting it here for postgame cred
Yes i didnt see anything really linking the 2 games at that point
But i did find a few possible tells to look out for
Which was my main uhh
Fuck whats the word
Uhhhh
Uhhhh
Reason?
Motivation
Something like that
Im putting this in thread for if i die and my logs are fucked
Think its okay to be a little safe with that
Wazza
anon6348071:Wazza, you never answered me ā did Seth post his updated readlist or not?
He didnāt update it.
Townlean:
Anstreim
PK
[quote=āEliThePsycho, post:1180, topic:82666ā]
EliThePsycho:I view it as suspicious because Trial By Council is an ability that an EK could use to pretty much eliminate certain people from voting.
[/quote]This makes sense. Still, you didnāt answer the second question ā is that the only reason you think he might be EK?
Pretty much; I canāt see much from his behavior so far, so itās a slight scum read for me.
[quote=āEliThePsycho, post:1180, topic:82666ā]
EliThePsycho:The reason that I havenāt posted much is because I havenāt had much to say.
[/quote]Do you have thoughts on anyone specific aside from Seth right now, or does this apply to your reads as well?
Well, most of my thoughts so far is contained in my previous readlist, so if you have any questions about that, please ask them.
I have reason to believe that you are converted.
PsychoKang the Stargazer
Day one: Conjour Cosmolight
Night one: Cosmolight on Anstreim. Visited by Special and Support classes.
Anstreim - Thereās not much to say about him, but Iām taking a gamble on him since Iāve never played with him and how it seems right now is that heās acting Towny. I donāt know how to explain this one.
gorta
anon6348071:From what I gather he didnāt backread much (if at all).
I learned that itās ok to skim the thread and backread certain things/players from Marshal and thatās what I have been doing ever since that hydra game
anon6348071:Suggestion: Could you read through Blizer and give me your thoughts on him?
yeah, I will be back with that later
anon6348071:Jane/CRichard
I also got this wrong in my initial post, but I canāt edit that now. The thought is still there though
anon6348071:Also I still want you to go over Blizer like I asked you yesterday.
Fine Fine, one read before sleepy time.
Blizer: I really liked their D1, but I do think their d2 has been kind of lacking. I think this either comes from being converted or being busy (like they claim). I think at the worst Blizer is a convert. I can expand upon this read d3 (because I likely arrive at the EoD tomorrow), but I think this is likely a convert if scum. I suppose they could be a NK, but yeah, I would say either busy town or convert
anon6348071:I didnāt catch much of a difference in his tone
hence slight difference and I am off to bed now
anon6348071:Well, I wanted your opinion on him ā so logically that would include it, yes.
in a bit, first I need some food
CRich
Blizer is someone thatās been trending down since D1. As far as I can tell theyāve got two reads on Centuries and Jane and have been coasting ever since.
Iām down with Blizer being pushed for associations.
If you could vote someone out today, who would you pick and why?
anon6348071:It doesnāt make much sense for him to fake it here imo.
Which is what I was pointing out earlier to PKR. As far as Iām concerned, any world where Magnus isnāt bleeding for real, all Iāll say I doubt heās faking it. Anyway I need sleep. Getting hard to think here.
Good day/night everyone.
Top 3 reads are you, Chloe and Jane.
Bottom 3 reads are Blizer, Mode and Magnus.
UT
anon6348071:I feel like this is too much worldbuilding.
We donāt know which NK it is ā tinfoiling ourselves into āDarkstalker has to be the NK here so we must do Xā isnāt going to do us any good ā especially with nothing to back it up.
We canāt just ignore an NK in hopes that they arenāt here. Itās a 1/5 chance and Iām not taking the risk
anon6348071:Actually skipped that post.
Electing Oneiromancer as King is literally -EV both for us and for them?
-They canāt guard themselves;
-They are neutral and therefore can scumside;
-They have no reason to fully cooperate with us. TheBlueElixir:the only thing it does is make sure we wouldnt elect a scum king
Yeah but it doesnāt fully negate the risk of this neutral king deciding to eventually scumside.
Which are pretty similar in the end.I mean healing kinda works as guards. They are neutral yes, but like I said, they are bound to have a townie in their droom ball meaning they canāt really side scum without giving up the town. They do have a reason since 1. we can threaten (though this is not preferable and I would like to work with Arete for town sakes) 2. we know they are important and will probably have some healers on them, meaning they have some reason to cooperate
Centuries
doesnt make sense social wise and chloe claim is like
probably makes you impossible to be convert idk i assume i understood the action
Ans - Can be neut
anon6348071:I think the whole situation with Magnus is easily solvable.
meh
he solves he solves
i have no read otherwise
anon6348071:Emilia looks more or less fine to me.
I didnāt like App
Emilia slot is mostly one liners quite a high amount of questions nothing stellar and nothing that makes me goes āthis is townā ehh
im annoyed this took me 2 hours(I didnt have much of an opportunity to work on it during the night, but I started this like a minute before daystart) and I havent drawn conclusions yet
mode couldntve known ans was a failed conv
(highway/blizer I think are the ones who replaced, im not pushing for lack of attention, at least for the second half of the day)
that leaves emilia, and I know this is a weird take, but I dont think if they thought someone was exe/NK that they would not interact with them at all? Like, they would try to figure out which it is, and it would be an opportunity for scum to actually scumhunt, which would make them look better.
also
hot take
after re-reading most of d2 to find these quotes I think PKR is NK(unrelated reasons to ans)
will get to that once im done making conclusions with this(which will be my next post)
eightyseconds, highway
Iām curious as to why both Highways ended up in nulls for you.
I think 101 had a very decent start but then they dropped off, and I still havenāt seen anything particularly off with EightySecond.
Did you not read deep into their posts or did you see something that you disliked from both?
(highway/blizer I think are the ones who replaced, im not pushing for lack of attention, at least for the second half of the day)
after re-reading most of d2 to find these quotes I think PKR is NK(unrelated reasons to ans)
I also mentioned thinking this in Dream Sphere, but Iād still like to hear your reasoning.
TBE if youāre writing a giant wallpost
Please break it into smaller segments so we can discuss each one.
You have been typing for quite some time.
nice
I havent drawn conclusions yet
also
what was the point of this giant post
its almost entirely information-over-analysis
iāll read it in a bit
No, itās literally IIoA.
Iām assuming he is putting the quotes here so he can work with them laterā¢ which Iām going to be eagerly awaiting.
Also want to hear more on PKR from both Jane/TBE because I had some thoughts about his D2, but Iām going to keep them for now.
I hate making a giant post of quotes
then later making conclusions
you should show your thought-process along the way
so unless hes literally going to copy all of these quotes again and show what he thinks about every individual post
there was zero point in all of that
I liked highway start too but considering they come from MU it doesnt really tell much since this can or not be just their average wolf play
I still havenāt seen anything particularly off with EightySecond.
they seemed like theyāre trying to solve but same thing as before
Well, I agree. He said basically nothing with those quotes.
Unless it happens to be for future refrenceā¦ which I highly doubt
/vote TheBlueElixer
If you canāt show your thought-process along the way, while ISOing people
Like
Every post he quotes is apparently AI, but he doesnāt say how
it implies that he had a conclusion for all of these in mind beforehand
Also want to hear more on PKR from both Jane/TBE because I had some thoughts about his D2, but Iām going to keep them for now.
I didnāt sleep very well (Read: like an hour or two) so Iām probably going to bed soonā¢, but I should be able to make a fairly thorough NK-case on them tomorrow.
If they arenāt NK, theyāre probably just town.
Every post he quotes is apparently AI, but he doesnāt say how
I might be blind but the impression I got from these was āmeaningful conversaionsā and not āexclusively AIā posts?
Which makes this:
it implies that he had a conclusion for all of these in mind beforehand
Not entirely right.
This is spicy as hell.
I am read as NK?
Loving this.
Iām eager to hear this, as NK hunting (and 3p hunting in general) is generally pretty hard to distinguish from town, especially with little to work off of.
If theyāre meaningful conversations
You should explain how
You dont just quote shit and not analyze what the quotes/conversations mean
Unless he copies that entire post he just made, with all those quotes, and explains why he saw them as important, there was no point in doing any of that
Vote Count
Votee | Voted By | Votes |
---|---|---|
TheBlueElixir | Chloe, Jane, PsychoKang | 3/9 |
Wazza | EightySecond | 1/9 |
I have a feeling I am being suspected like this because of my enthusiasm to talk about the NK and NKA.
But, I remember that it was said to talk about NKA which is why I did it lol.
/vote Arete
neuts out
/unvote
Iām not even neuts out I just thought it was funny