SFoL62 - Regal Lions - Cult and Oneiromancer Victory!

[UnknownTraveler]

These are some interesting interactions…

[EliThePsycho]

@EliThePsycho

Seth, I’m still wondering why you think I’m scum.

Still haven’t been answered on this.

[Centuries]

Anyway sorry for getting angry

/unvote

You better come up with a good reasoning as to why I’m scum so I can answer something when I wake up otherwise lmfao

[ChopChop]

No “Lmfao” how about or you just don’t care and just prove to me your Town instead of saying my read on you is fake because it’s not and as far as I’m concerned your scum.

[TheBlueElixir]

Cent

dealing with mode is annoying. He doesnt use logic, so its hard to debate with him.

your being SRd for reasons you cant pin down, besides meta. I get thats its frustrating

please dont roll over and die. Your not getting executed today 9/10 anyway, especially not if you hunt for scum.

@Centuries

You better come up with a good reasoning as to why I’m scum so I can answer something when I wake up otherwise lmfao

imagine trying to write an encouraging post and then they do it by themself

you dont have many SRs

but we execute someone either way, id like to see you go for the gold

[TheBlueElixir]

@ChopChop

just prove to me your Town instead

he cant say why he’s town besides ‘lolclasscard’ when you havent said why he’s scum

@ChopChop

instead of saying my read on you is fake

I dont think he said that. Just wrong.

im just going to go ahead and answer these; I dont think it can be productive

[ChopChop]

I think Cop should check Cent.

[ChopChop]

/Vote Blizer

[ChopChop]

I’d rather he be checked here.

[UnknownTraveler]

Meh, this is actually getting kinda dumb and excessively stupid. Look, both of you need to drunk a nice frozen refreshing cup of water with ice cubes made from the finest of salt water from lake… errr something. Just get some sleep, sleep good. Also did everyone completely forgot my instructions where I said to not use insults for arguments and debates?

[CRichard564]

Well Chloe is here and is probably going to warn us to respect other players.
Here it comes.

[ChopChop]

@Chloe
Is the best Mod.
Chloe do better then that.

[ChopChop]

Chloe make us feel good

[CRichard564]

I mean I’d to hear Chloe’s take on the fact we only have 1 death N2.

[Chloe]

Hi i’ve been eating ribs

catch up

@ChopChop

Looks like there was no Evil Kills last night.
Guess they attacked CRichard lol.

Please don’t out any more of your guards. You only have two. Scum now know you are down at least one
However, out of curiosity, did you say who you were going to be guarding while in allies?

@Emilia

/vote TBE

Reasoning?

@ChopChop

I say Blizer or Cent

While i agree that Blizer has scum equity
I don’t think we vote out a (likely) empty slot. We don’t get any associations to work with. We can just… let PK yeet this tonight and you can use Adviser on him. I don’t like mechplans, but I do want PK to use his vig in PoE, and executing Blizer today wont give us anything to work with.

@Arete

Does anyone have particularly strong opinions on who I should bubble

Right now I’m leaning UT on the grounds that they asked for it

I would like PK bubbled - but wait like 12 more hours or something, I want to make sure we have a consensus decision.
Also
@UnknownTraveler @TheBlueElixir why do you guys want to be in bubble?

@ChopChop

Lol.
No one asked you scum.

@ChopChop

Good chance that Cent is scum here.

@ChopChop

He isn’t playing In his town meta at all this game.

This push (unfortunately) points towards town!seth

@Centuries

if i wanted to force out reads i wouldve done this stuff

@Centuries

and then went like OH MY GOD TBE DIFFERENT FROM ONE GAME IVE PLAYED WITH HIM HE SCUM

but see

i didnt do that because im not going to put out reads i dont even believe in

@Centuries

You’re literally killing at random if you kill me

YOU HAVE 0 ARGUMENT

let me make this clear, I’ve asked you twice for actual ARGUMENTS which require LOGIC from you, you calling out my tone? Worthless

You ignoring me asking you for arguments?

That’s the proof you don’t even believe in what you’re saying you have NOTHING, NADA you’re just making stuff up on the post “gn gn you wouldn’t be saying that as town” ? excuse me? Are you me?

Are you me? Are you actually play the game as my slot? Who are you to use the “you wouldn’t say this as town” argument when you have a grand amount of 0 scum games played with me?

Like what?

This feels like real frustration, but could come from either alignment.

@Centuries

If I rolled scum this game I’d be trying, I’m not going to use shit self meta to defend myself but look at it objectively, does it seem like I would play this badly after rolling scum after like 8 games of hoping for it? I would’ve been ecstatic, but nah I just rolled a boring no fun town role this is why I haven’t even bothered to ISO more than like 2 people, I didn’t see scum, I won’t post scumreads.

i actually really like this. it reads as genuine.

CRich and PK actually contributing to the Centuries argument rather than watching the chaos from the sidelines also looks good. PKR popping in to comment on TBE’s vote, but not saying anything about the situation looks bad

@TheBlueElixir

This is extremely common for particularly when we lack SRs, and with the low scum numbers in SFoL 61.5 we had the same thing. Just a bit of TvT and no SRs, and we’d be on our way to just execute town. Thread just doesnt feel like scum are in control, and with the lack of SRs, some of which that are still SR’d I think are town(emilia, cent now), we end up here. Its not hard to get from there to determine scum has at least some coasters, who are just letting scenes unfold.

I like this post. Much easier to just say “guys i think we’re misclearing” than to go through with figuring out who.

@CRichard564

I mean I’d to hear Chloe’s take on the fact we only have 1 death N2.

No. We are not going to get caught up in mechanics. Speculating will get us nowhere, and people will cling onto the situation they see as most likely to have happened.

[Chloe]

response to TBE

@TheBlueElixir

I dont love having to use meta but I do it almost automatically

…do you think this is AI?

I find it interesting that you switched your mindset in the span of 2 minutes. Not necessarily AI - but something to note in case it becomes a trend. Inconsistency.

@TheBlueElixir

I just needed ground to work on

but the question itself forces Ans to look on his own slot which was the point of it. Idve expected wolves to give weaker answers for differences, while V would easily point out something major. Its not all that different from ‘whats your last played game and whatdya learn’, but its more specific.

the answer ‘im not forcing myself’ works. I think its Ver then Wer

If you needed ground to work on, I’m confused why you didn’t state this conclusion in thread, or continue the questioning. It didn’t seem to lead anywhere.
Why did you not ask this as a general question to the thread and instead specifically to Ans? Did you suspect him at the time?

@TheBlueElixir

• it was a way of saying ‘im dipping’
• I was interested in what Math has done, and didnt(and still dont) really see the harm is saying it

I’ll accept this. I actually believe this is genuine - and you were interested in what math had said - but this could come from any alignment.

@TheBlueElixir

you just argued why a dumb tinfoil of non-w/w could be fake

Indeed I did. People can get caught up in tinfoils and I wanted to explain how it could be fake. In the instance that one of you flips scum, I don’t want people to clear the other because of this interaction.

@TheBlueElixir

less. Like 15 minutes

I didnt want to get stuck on it, I thought emilia was town and would prefer to keep going forward>wait an hour for an RT

Don’t do pointless RTs. You get nothing out of it, and it just looks wolfy.

Also
“i would prefer to keep going forward” doesn’t add up - you didn’t vote someone else for 23 hours, its not as if you wanted to put your vote somewhere else. You could easily have waited for Centuries.

And thinking Emilia is town should not be a reason to out the RT?
You weren’t RTing Emilia
You were RTing Centuries

@TheBlueElixir

Yes, I consider it(1 scum bleed 1 town bleeder) nearly confirmed, sue me. Neither of them stood anything to gain by faking it. I say ‘nearly’ because it could also be 2 town bleeders(and, now p much knowing its a cult game, 2 town bleeders is more possible, but also why would town bleed ans)

I dont have to even try debunk this point because its my opinion.

I dont think “scumslips” like this are very AI - I was mostly interested in your response to my question.

@TheBlueElixir

you are nearly confirmed to be the missed n1 conv, and are quite highly TL/TR’d, you gain next to nothing with this, really

Magnus is a low poster with good tone, and he just came in, and claimed bled

then he claimed a resolving abilitiy

there isnt a reason for scum to fakeclaim bled then fakeclaim self resolving

This is alright. Doesn’t read as flustered.

@TheBlueElixir

I fail to see anything done wrong here. I had an idea, that you seem to see as ‘could help gamesolve’(d2). And…from there im scummy because I can put 2 and 2 together? If anyone else said it, they’d be scummy for saying it, if they didnt pour in hours into backreading and quoting? Particularly when someone else already did it?

This point is naught. You couldve thought of the idea. Anyone couldve. And anybody couldve done the quoting too, I lack the vision of why its confined to me, and its absurd that im being read off of this. I also consider the following highly hypocritical;

I don’t find it absurd in the slightest that you’re being read for providing a method to solve based on interactions, yet you didn’t go through with it yourself until prompted. You also didn’t respond to Ans’ re-read to say whether or not you agree with his conclusions.
I see it as equivalent to saying “we should do NKA”, then not doing it yourself. Just looks like you’re trying to be helpful, but you don’t put in effort to go through with it.

@TheBlueElixir

try reading me off the things you know I did, then, rather then latching onto these things.

I am reading you off of the things you did. This one example happens to be something that you didn’t do.

@TheBlueElixir

to firstly answer the third post; I copied every single post quoting or responding to Ans. How you reached there and went into me having all of the conclusions already, I dont know, but its false. I dont think every single reply to ans will feed me results.

From there, you can tell that there wasnt a thought process along the way, so the second post is naught aswell.

To finally address the first, It was to compile. I could now easily view every single reply, and therefore draw some sort of conclusion for most slots off of that. Id think most of this was clear, given that I said id draw the conclusions in the next post.

Your first post was entirely information-over-analysis, and lacked conclusions. You didn’t state that it was a compilation of “every reply to ans>every thought about him” in the original post - so it looked as if it was quotes and conversations that you found to be AI, thus I called you out for IIoA, as you should be providing reasonings for each quote as you go.

With your second post clarifying that these were not quotes you found to be AI, and rather a complete list of interactions with Ans, I will accept this answer.

I am keeping my vote here for the time being, as I don’t see anyone else as a more viable execution target.
My PoE is getting smaller and I need to re-eval a lot. Hnnng.
Laziness.

I seem to be the only person who has provided a reason for being on this wagon. I’d like if you shared yours,
@Emilia
@Jane

[Chloe]

also uhhh

something something respect other players

idk

be nice

[ChopChop]

Please give 3 names and we only vote between them today so I can prepare for Allie Chat tonight with 82.

[Chloe]

Dude i cant even remember half the people in this game.

I think we vote in TBE/PKR/Blizer today
Possibly gorta
He hasn’t done anything significant in a while.

[Chloe]

I think PK uses his vig on someone in PoE, as well.

Perhaps wifom it between 2-3 people in case theres a scum healer.
Seth, you can protect him from occs/redirects with Adviser.

I feel like a hypocrite for talking mech, but I do think this is an important thing to suggest.