SFoL62 - Regal Lions - Cult and Oneiromancer Victory!

[Emilia]

(I was replying to @anon6348071)

[TheBlueElixir]

skipping arete and me

PKR

@anon6348071

Also PKR, do you have any new thoughts/reads? Didn’t quite get to interact with you much yesterday.

@PokemonKidRyan

New ones? No, I did not reevaluate during the night.
I am trying to juggle FM games with irl stuff so night time to me is like Herd focus on IRL stuff time.

I remember I liked Chloe and Jane.
Centuries disconcerted me because we agreed too much, but after thinking about it I kinda like it.
I still think Seth could be scum but the fact he used the ability and UT is not saying much more, it is making me try and think things through deeply… like, why wait? What is the purpose?

I know tinfoils are not great but PKR Paranoia has started up.

@PokemonKidRyan

@anon6348071

PKR’s initial posts looked good to me, but he’s starting to drop down. His latest posts have been somewhat underwhelming. It’s fluff + mech talk for the most part (excluding his take on PK/Arete) – for starters, I’d like for him to provide an actual readlist. @PokemonKidRyan This is a second ping to you, but please do just that.

My apologies. I had been asleep since I last posted. Was not feeling quite 100% and I am still trying to juggle everything.

Also mech talk is a lot of my go to. So I request that you do not think of it as scummy. Many people here can attest to this just being what I do.

Especially since I am like, stressed to have such a big decision on my shoulders (With 3 others) but also excited that I might be able to prove my reading skill.

@PokemonKidRyan

@anon6348071

Still, this whole bleed/mech discussion doesn’t really bring much – it’s just empty theorizing.

It is important to consider every possibility imo.
Sorry if that annoyed you but I thought it is somewhat useful as every card is laid out on the table for us all to see.

@anon6348071

@PokemonKidRyan

I had Arete as one of my townreads

Care to expand on others?

@PokemonKidRyan

Chloe and Jane were high ones and sure I can expand upon them.

I also like Centuries and PK.

@PokemonKidRyan

Chloe - I made this post earlier on but this is mostly a comparison to Insurgency!Chloe and Chloe this game. Chloe has been relaxed and I know how she panicked before when she was a scum member in Insurgency. I doubt that she would have significantly calmed down to the point where her tone this game is completely different and she is playing as if nothing bad could happen. I will be watching out for how her tone shifts if it does, as that could be from conversion but for now I like this slot.

Jane - Jane this game has helped out a lot . Questioning people as appropriate and due to that giving town more information to go off. This might just be scum!Jane trying to get cheap cred but I think tonally it is sound overall.

Centuries and PK are mostly gutreads because we have mindmelded multiple times and I think I would meld more with people that are the same faction as me. The tone in their posts is also genuine. I do not sense any bad intentions behind them ^^

@PokemonKidRyan

You should do a slot for claims.

Like if we do have that dark thingy, there is 0 doubt they would ISO dive everyone to find claims.

@PokemonKidRyan

I am glad that my analysis of all possible bleeders has somewhat come in useful here.
Though it would be even better if we knew what faction we are facing.

@PokemonKidRyan

@anon6348071

Do you think we have two town bleeders?

It is technically possible.
But I doubt you were bled by town due to reasons that EightySecond already covered.

@PokemonKidRyan

I guess, since WIFOM means scum cannot really confirm what to do or not to do.

Blizer

@anon6348071

I’m assuming they had Condemnation used on them, not Hasty Sentence.
Else Jane’s visit would fail from what I understand.

@Blizer

Oh yea, Hasty Sentence is a day ability

hmm, then, i guess yea that wouldnt make sense if she knew what Jane did.

@anon6348071

He’s more of a nulltown than pure null to me because while I did like his posts around EoD, I still kinda want more.
Also meta™ talk incoming, but I’ve had some trouble reading him in the games I spectated, so I want to hold off and read deeper into his interactions.
Not to mention that I’m still waiting on cases from people that SL’d him on D1 – iirc there were 5(?) or so, and you are the only one I explicitly remember reevaluating.

@Blizer

Alright, thats understandable tbh.

Cents is townlean atm after going through yesterday again

Jane

@Jane

@anon6348071

UnknownTraveler

I’m pretty sure you had this as a scumlean EoD1.

What about them changed your mind overnight?

@anon6348071

Gorta

Also I thought Gorta’d be higher tbh.

@Jane

@anon6348071

I’m not really seeing the TMI here?

Is it really that hard to see that only villagers have actual reads?

@anon6348071

In your eyes them discrediting you is calling your conclusion OMGUS, correct?

Yes.

@Jane

@anon6348071

This is problematic because they have to keep adding people to the sphere and if they die, then everyone in said sphere dies as well.

That’s why I didn’t want CRich to out it and I want people to stop talking about it.

@anon6348071

Give me your opinion on Blizer when you catch up.

I will.

@Jane

I mean, do you really think CRich and me would fake being in dream sphere, (outing both of us as wolves if it’s ever disproven) just to get Arete to be a confirmed Neutral?

@Jane

@anon6348071

What do you make of it?

I’m pretty sure I recall them saying they townleaned Centuries but voted them as a reactiontest for Apprentice. Don’t think much of it.

I’ve read Cent’s wolfgame on Mafia Colosseum, and it’s pretty different to what they’re doing here. Could be because of low WiM, but wouldn’t lynch it today.

@Jane

@anon6348071

I think this only makes sense if we suspect TBE to be NK, since I’d expect him to look through scumchat/ask his scumbuddies about his slot if he was scum?

/shrug

Maybe.

@anon6348071

I personally interpreted that more as him wondering if Centuries was widely SR’d or not to know if the wagon would be vanity or not.

I mean, he could just vote on a not-vanity wagon closer to EoD then?

Which one of Blizer/TBE do you think is scummier?

@Jane

@anon6348071

Really hope they do show up in the thread again.

I mean, if they don’t, I’m going to be very mad at them because that means we no exe today.

@Jane

@anon6348071

Jane, could I get your top 3/bottom 3 too?

I don’t really do 3x3’s, but if I had to make one, it’d probably look something like this:

You
Chloe
CRich (Could be substituted for 82/101)

Wazza? (I don’t actively scumread them, but they’re less villagery than most others.)
TBE
Blizer

@anon6348071

Still find it curious that you seem to think TBE is scummy.

@Jane

@TheBlueElixir

im interested in consensus

this is just a thing

id like to know what others think of the person I SR’d

@TheBlueElixir

I wanna know what my slot has done

imagine you had a modpeek on a slot

why would you not re-read them

I mean, their answers here seem more like excuses than actual reasons.

@TheBlueElixir

W!Cent, if V!App, would be more likely to let it go, or say ‘im not sure about that’ rather then saying flatly, ‘dont sheep me’, ‘why’

Also, I don’t think Centuries even reacted to it? Which would be more in line with what he thought W!Cent would do, but he still thinks they’re a villager?

@TheBlueElixir

well I wont tunnel you this time, go at it

I also don’t think V!TBE would react like this, since they would know that they’re a bad push.

/shrug

It miight just be their playstyle, but they don’t seem very town-motivated to me.

Eighty

@EightySecond

@anon6348071

But yeah, I definitely want to see more from them today.

I did concoct a readlist last night.

@anon6348071

I’m assuming that was the only post that you inherently disliked and the rest is just pure gut?
The “mindmeld” joke is quite frequent here by the way. That post didn’t really strike me as something unusual.

@EightySecond

I seem to recall there being more than that one post, however that was the biggest offender to me.

If that is a recurring joke on this website then consider him an even lighter SR/a Nullread.

I’ll probably look at it again after I eat lunch.

@EightySecond

Their defense of me is interesting, but I think mostly NAI as they seem fairly objective throughout.

@EightySecond

I’m getting ready to sleep, so I don’t have time to dig through your ISO.

Have you explained why gorta is so high on your readlist yet?

@EightySecond

Meta and towntells aren’t exactly what I was hoping to hear, but I’ll keep that in mind I suppose!

I feel like that slot has gone very under the radar, which is a bit concerning.

@EightySecond

Okay, I’ve found the FoL class card thread so I can be less confused.

Butler is a roleblocker who has a guilty vig on the King, Knight is an elite bodyguard – and this Summoner class has a bit of both of those things.

That class seems quite strong to me, although I’m not very versed in rolemadness!

@EightySecond

My only argument against this is that if they are actually bleeding, there’s a decent chance nobody bothers healing them. In which case, the guilty part of a guilty vig is mostly mitigated when you’re poisoned, and I have my reservations on Mode and their alignment.

I have to be up in 7 hours so it’s bedtime for me, but I’m personally not against Magnus using Ignoble’s Dust today.

At the end of the day, he’s either evil or a hindrance, and mislynching a Venerable Lord seems to have bigger drawbacks than misvigging them if you’re Magnus.

@EightySecond

What a fun 3p to play with.

They’re bulletproof tonight and tomorrow night, and if we kill them we lose two of my highest townreads?

Damn.

@EightySecond

I feel like I’m a bit obligated to give them a pass since my picture is of an interstate and they are a highway.

Jokes aside, I’m not looking too deep into it for now, their posting today has seemed consistent with their posting on D1, and I don’t dislike it.

I could go into more detail you just asked Chloe for her opinion on 101, so I won’t give her any freebies to look at.

@EightySecond

But his majesty brought us a day of a likely forced NL!

Surely this is for the best, as 18 people alive is more than 17!

Petty sarcasm aside, this kind of saps the motivation I have into playing the game today.

@EightySecond

That seems pretty unlikely to be a town bleed, given the accusations of you being converted were shut down long ago so the timeframe for a town motivated bleed on you has passed.

Chloe

[quote=“Chloe, post:1066, topic:82666”]

@anon6348071

@UnknownTraveler

I know I did say T/T before, but that was assuming that was the same as saying not W/W
[/quote]

Read fake to you?

I mean

They never said T/T before
And in that post they said “i know i did say T/T before”
So yeah it reads as fake? They dont know what stance they took and it seems like agreeing with me just to agree
Even though they didn’t understand a word i was saying

@anon6348071

I don’t want for this to turn into another Trial By Council derailment that brought nothing and should’ve been dropped after literally 3 posts.

@Chloe

I mean

I dont see us getting a ton out of this until seth responds
Which is why i pinged him

Also squabbling about allies isnt nonsense? Seth picked horrible allies targets and i want his reasoning
I also want to know what he thinks happened in allies

We have plenty of time to spare and it happens to be the topic atm

If you want to focus on “trying to solve” then… try to solve?

Also
Stop saying youre “going to cut back on posting for real now”
Just do it lmao

@Chloe

@anon6348071

I asked people to reevaluate during EoD yesterday and it feels like barely any people did.

Can we stop this and instead think of a way to progress?

Ans have you thought about a way to progress?

This kinda feels like saying things just to say things
But its not changing the state of the thread
If you want change
Start it

Ayaya

@Chloe

@anon6348071

I’ve literally said yesterday that something is lacking and I’m trying to find a way to remedy that.

The way I tried to remedy it on D1 was by interacting with people.
The way I’m trying to remedy it right now is thinking on what we can discuss.

Understandable
Lemme know what you come up with

I just think that until we have something else to discuss
We talk about the topic on hand, which is allies

@anon6348071

Not to mention that you say you’d like to ask Seth why he picked those two – but he’s very obviously not present in the thread right now.

I already pinged him im just waitin

In fact
Lets go for numero dos
@ModeShifter why did you pick these two players for allies

@anon6348071

Chloe:

@Chloe

Dont push people unless its to execute imo

Also Chloe:

@Chloe

Also yeah i guess vote peeps for pressure

@Chloe

Im

Allowed to change my mind

@Chloe

Why is this so fluffy
You dont need all these words
You know you dont need all these words

Nobody wants to read all these words
(Im only quoting this part because the post is huge)

@Chloe

I skimmed it

You have too many words

I dont like

@Chloe

@anon6348071

NK hunting doesn’t always mean killing off towncore? But I’m absolutely against actively focusing on NK ahead of groupscum for obvious reasons.

I mean just from experience
NK tends to be townread since they dont have TMI
and it shouldnt be the main focus this early unless someone has a mechanical lead

@anon6348071

Except meta is the only thing we can use to supplement our reads right now and that’s what I (and a few others) have been doing so far.

We have no voting.
We have no deaths.
We have no NKA.

It’s tone, meta, interactions.
Could you show me which precise posts felt pockety to you?

Yes
And his take on me is just comparing this game to a single past game

@Chloe

Just king a townie

4head

@Chloe

After they outted as OwOmancer they said they still view my read as fake

@Chloe

@anon6348071

Do you realize that if they think someone is obvious town and they want to scumside, then they just don’t add them to the sphere to begin with?

Ive read this 5 times and i actually cant comprehend it

Im just gunna
Drop this shit

Cuz im confused and probably overthinking

@Chloe

@anon6348071

because the scum can do it for them and they can add someone they perceive as scum instead?

I viewed their read on me (in hindsight - after they outted) as mostly genuine
Which is why i was confused why they would push me rather than adding me to sphere

But yeah im starting to understand now
Im having a blonde moment

@Chloe

Yeah idk anymore

I was just trying to understand their thought process

Because im town
But they say they scumread me
But i wouldnt have said i scumread me if i were arete

Im trying to word
But word no work

@Chloe

@anon6348071

Shows me that not only you didn’t read 61, you didn’t read through my posts on Seth either.

I literally told you several times, that:

I read your posts
I skimmed through a majority of the game last night - and before i went to sleep said i wanted to re-read seth because he might just be a wolf
Your posts did influence that
But ive played 2 wolfgames with seth and his activity hasnt been a tell. But yes 61 is probably the best to go off of since he was EK, so imma check that out again. I skimmed it before but (admittedly) was mostly looking for differences in your behavior

@Chloe

@anon6348071

I’m curious to know – what did you expect to gain from this?

hey i just asked this too, in my last wall. ayaya

@Chloe

@anon6348071

I thought there was a noticeable difference but I guess it’s just me.

Fair, I suppose – I’m just saying that I’m not as sure on him as I was on D1.

I mean maybe youre right and im being stupid
Its worth another look

@anon6348071

I’d like to hear your conclusions on this as well.

Sure. It was pretty early into the game so i just jotted down a few notes, and didnt have a lot to compare it to. Might take a 2nd look while checking out Seth as well.

• Opener is consistent regardless of alignment. NAI
• Self-awareness - “im tired”, etc - doesn’t seem to be a huge tell
• Postcount is NAI
• a few other possible wolftells that im not going to say, but havent seen them enough to be mega concerned

@anon6348071

So I was just bled.

Literally just now.

Shit sorry i dropped my scissors

Jokes aside though its likely from scum

I also wanna like
Really quickly point out a possibility (that is rather unlikely) that this is faked and Ans is NK or something. But lets not play under that assumption
Mostly just putting it here for postgame cred

@Chloe

Yes i didnt see anything really linking the 2 games at that point

But i did find a few possible tells to look out for
Which was my main uhh
Fuck whats the word
Uhhhh
Uhhhh
Reason?
Motivation
Something like that

@Chloe

Im putting this in thread for if i die and my logs are fucked

Think its okay to be a little safe with that

Wazza

@Wazza

@anon6348071

Wazza, you never answered me – did Seth post his updated readlist or not?

He didn’t update it.

@Wazza

Townlean:
Anstreim

PK

[quote=“EliThePsycho, post:1180, topic:82666”]

@anon6348071

@EliThePsycho

I view it as suspicious because Trial By Council is an ability that an EK could use to pretty much eliminate certain people from voting.
[/quote]

This makes sense. Still, you didn’t answer the second question – is that the only reason you think he might be EK?

Pretty much; I can’t see much from his behavior so far, so it’s a slight scum read for me.

[quote=“EliThePsycho, post:1180, topic:82666”]

@anon6348071

@EliThePsycho

The reason that I haven’t posted much is because I haven’t had much to say.
[/quote]

Do you have thoughts on anyone specific aside from Seth right now, or does this apply to your reads as well?

Well, most of my thoughts so far is contained in my previous readlist, so if you have any questions about that, please ask them.

@EliThePsycho

I have reason to believe that you are converted.

@EliThePsycho

PsychoKang the Stargazer

Day one: Conjour Cosmolight
Night one: Cosmolight on Anstreim. Visited by Special and Support classes.

@Wazza

Anstreim - There’s not much to say about him, but I’m taking a gamble on him since I’ve never played with him and how it seems right now is that he’s acting Towny. I don’t know how to explain this one.

gorta

@an_gorta_pratai

@anon6348071

From what I gather he didn’t backread much (if at all).

I learned that it’s ok to skim the thread and backread certain things/players from Marshal and that’s what I have been doing ever since that hydra game

@an_gorta_pratai

@anon6348071

Suggestion: Could you read through Blizer and give me your thoughts on him?

yeah, I will be back with that later

@an_gorta_pratai

@anon6348071

Jane/CRichard

I also got this wrong in my initial post, but I can’t edit that now. The thought is still there though

@an_gorta_pratai

@anon6348071

Also I still want you to go over Blizer like I asked you yesterday.

Fine Fine, one read before sleepy time.
Blizer: I really liked their D1, but I do think their d2 has been kind of lacking. I think this either comes from being converted or being busy (like they claim). I think at the worst Blizer is a convert. I can expand upon this read d3 (because I likely arrive at the EoD tomorrow), but I think this is likely a convert if scum. I suppose they could be a NK, but yeah, I would say either busy town or convert

@an_gorta_pratai

@anon6348071

I didn’t catch much of a difference in his tone

hence slight difference and I am off to bed now

@an_gorta_pratai

@anon6348071

Well, I wanted your opinion on him – so logically that would include it, yes.

in a bit, first I need some food

CRich

@CRichard564

Blizer is someone that’s been trending down since D1. As far as I can tell they’ve got two reads on Centuries and Jane and have been coasting ever since.
I’m down with Blizer being pushed for associations.
If you could vote someone out today, who would you pick and why?

@CRichard564

@anon6348071

It doesn’t make much sense for him to fake it here imo.

Which is what I was pointing out earlier to PKR. As far as I’m concerned, any world where Magnus isn’t bleeding for real, all I’ll say I doubt he’s faking it. Anyway I need sleep. Getting hard to think here.
Good day/night everyone.

@CRichard564

Top 3 reads are you, Chloe and Jane.
Bottom 3 reads are Blizer, Mode and Magnus.

UT

@UnknownTraveler

@anon6348071

I feel like this is too much worldbuilding.

We don’t know which NK it is – tinfoiling ourselves into “Darkstalker has to be the NK here so we must do X” isn’t going to do us any good – especially with nothing to back it up.

We can’t just ignore an NK in hopes that they aren’t here. It’s a 1/5 chance and I’m not taking the risk

@UnknownTraveler

@anon6348071

Actually skipped that post.

Electing Oneiromancer as King is literally -EV both for us and for them?
-They can’t guard themselves;
-They are neutral and therefore can scumside;
-They have no reason to fully cooperate with us.

@TheBlueElixir

the only thing it does is make sure we wouldnt elect a scum king

Yeah but it doesn’t fully negate the risk of this neutral king deciding to eventually scumside.
Which are pretty similar in the end.

I mean healing kinda works as guards. They are neutral yes, but like I said, they are bound to have a townie in their droom ball meaning they can’t really side scum without giving up the town. They do have a reason since 1. we can threaten (though this is not preferable and I would like to work with Arete for town sakes) 2. we know they are important and will probably have some healers on them, meaning they have some reason to cooperate

Centuries

@Centuries

doesnt make sense social wise and chloe claim is like

probably makes you impossible to be convert idk i assume i understood the action

@Centuries

Ans - Can be neut

@Centuries

@anon6348071

I think the whole situation with Magnus is easily solvable.

meh

he solves he solves

i have no read otherwise

@anon6348071

Emilia looks more or less fine to me.

I didn’t like App
Emilia slot is mostly one liners quite a high amount of questions nothing stellar and nothing that makes me goes “this is town” ehh

im annoyed this took me 2 hours(I didnt have much of an opportunity to work on it during the night, but I started this like a minute before daystart) and I havent drawn conclusions yet

mode couldntve known ans was a failed conv

(highway/blizer I think are the ones who replaced, im not pushing for lack of attention, at least for the second half of the day)

that leaves emilia, and I know this is a weird take, but I dont think if they thought someone was exe/NK that they would not interact with them at all? Like, they would try to figure out which it is, and it would be an opportunity for scum to actually scumhunt, which would make them look better.

also

hot take

after re-reading most of d2 to find these quotes I think PKR is NK(unrelated reasons to ans)

will get to that once im done making conclusions with this(which will be my next post)

[anon6348071]

@Emilia

eightyseconds, highway

I’m curious as to why both Highways ended up in nulls for you.
I think 101 had a very decent start but then they dropped off, and I still haven’t seen anything particularly off with EightySecond.
Did you not read deep into their posts or did you see something that you disliked from both?

[Jane]

@TheBlueElixir

(highway/blizer I think are the ones who replaced, im not pushing for lack of attention, at least for the second half of the day)

@TheBlueElixir

after re-reading most of d2 to find these quotes I think PKR is NK(unrelated reasons to ans)

I also mentioned thinking this in Dream Sphere, but I’d still like to hear your reasoning.

[Chloe]

@Chloe

TBE if you’re writing a giant wallpost

Please break it into smaller segments so we can discuss each one.
You have been typing for quite some time.

nice

[Chloe]

@TheBlueElixir

I havent drawn conclusions yet

also

what was the point of this giant post

its almost entirely information-over-analysis

i’ll read it in a bit

[anon6348071]

No, it’s literally IIoA.
I’m assuming he is putting the quotes here so he can work with them later™ which I’m going to be eagerly awaiting.

Also want to hear more on PKR from both Jane/TBE because I had some thoughts about his D2, but I’m going to keep them for now.

[Chloe]

I hate making a giant post of quotes

then later making conclusions

you should show your thought-process along the way

so unless hes literally going to copy all of these quotes again and show what he thinks about every individual post

there was zero point in all of that

[Emilia]

I liked highway start too but considering they come from MU it doesnt really tell much since this can or not be just their average wolf play

@anon6348071

I still haven’t seen anything particularly off with EightySecond.

they seemed like they’re trying to solve but same thing as before

[EliThePsycho]

Well, I agree. He said basically nothing with those quotes.

Unless it happens to be for future refrence… which I highly doubt

/vote TheBlueElixer

[Chloe]

If you can’t show your thought-process along the way, while ISOing people
Like
Every post he quotes is apparently AI, but he doesn’t say how

it implies that he had a conclusion for all of these in mind beforehand

[Jane]

@anon6348071

Also want to hear more on PKR from both Jane/TBE because I had some thoughts about his D2, but I’m going to keep them for now.

I didn’t sleep very well (Read: like an hour or two) so I’m probably going to bed soon™, but I should be able to make a fairly thorough NK-case on them tomorrow.

If they aren’t NK, they’re probably just town.

[anon6348071]

@Chloe

Every post he quotes is apparently AI, but he doesn’t say how

I might be blind but the impression I got from these was “meaningful conversaions” and not “exclusively AI” posts?
Which makes this:

@Chloe

it implies that he had a conclusion for all of these in mind beforehand

Not entirely right.

[PokemonKidRyan]

This is spicy as hell.
I am read as NK?

Loving this.

[EightySecond]

I’m eager to hear this, as NK hunting (and 3p hunting in general) is generally pretty hard to distinguish from town, especially with little to work off of.

[Chloe]

If they’re meaningful conversations

You should explain how

You dont just quote shit and not analyze what the quotes/conversations mean

Unless he copies that entire post he just made, with all those quotes, and explains why he saw them as important, there was no point in doing any of that

[Amelia]

Vote Count

Votee	Voted By	Votes
TheBlueElixir	Chloe, Jane, PsychoKang	3/9
Wazza	EightySecond	1/9

[PokemonKidRyan]

I have a feeling I am being suspected like this because of my enthusiasm to talk about the NK and NKA.
But, I remember that it was said to talk about NKA which is why I did it lol.

[Arete]

/vote Arete

neuts out

[Arete]

/unvote

I’m not even neuts out I just thought it was funny