SFoL62 - Regal Lions - Cult and Oneiromancer Victory!

[an_gorta_pratai]

@anon6348071

The whole “King is not T/T or W/W” argument was pretty meh in general and I confess I didn’t read that deep into it.
Also it does seem like they know some terminology but not all of it, though I think Chloe (?) also found that part to be weird.

There are little moments like that sprinkled into their ISO. In my opinion PK seems like the pure kind of new, while Unknown just feels fake.

@anon6348071

I still kinda doubt that someone experienced would try to RP as a newbie and then fake “slip” like that – I really don’t have a better word for it. Like what’s the point of doing this, if an experienced player could probably play normally and still get TR’d or something.

Unless you think that they are literally doing this just so that they don’t have to post reads and put much effort into their play?

I don’t know what they would get out of it, but I don’t that slot

[an_gorta_pratai]

Now I sleep

[Jane]

My case on PKR is mostly done, but I do want them to be online when I post it for reasons™.

There’s still other people I want to case after that, but I should probably catch up again first.
I might not be super active the next 3 hours since I’ll be at my grandparents’ house, but I’ll see what I can do.

[CRichard564]

I’ll post more of my thoughts after I’ve had a good night sleep.
Have a good day/night everyone.

[ChopChop]

@an_gorta_pratai

part 2 of 2

Anstreim

Ans is likely town here. It doesn’t look like Ans is trying to leave breadcrumbs for some dumb unsuspecting townie to pickup and use to push a mislynch and such. I will admit that I am paranoid of the slot, but I like that they are trying to force reads out of me. That shows that they are kind of trying to solve. my paranoia is the only thing keeping me from making this a TR

Unknown

Where do I even start on this slot? Everything about it feels fake and off, like that opening wall post doesn’t come from someone who is brand new to FM and these questions could easily be faked. The comment about “what if it’s a Unseen game” just reeks of trying to make an excuse if someone does flip cult (which is likely). To sum this up I don’t feel like clearing this on just being a newbie. I won’t have another Leafia get under the cracks. this is a sl/possible sr for me unless they can somehow prove that they are town

Chloe

I am also paranoid about this slot, as the last two times I TR here she was scum. I think she is likely town here, as she is helpful and trying to solve, but at the same time I am kind of paranoid here. Her thing with Arete seemed genuine, as Arete was scummy as hell and obviosly not town. Her posts are decent, but I know those are fakeable. I suppose this is a very light TL

This was hell to make, but I just made reads on the highest top posts, so that’s something and also why my activity dipped

@Anstreim @UnknownTraveler @Chloe

What type of scum do you think UT is?
/Vote Gorta

[Amelia]

Vote Count

Votee	Voted By	Votes
TheBlueElixir	Chloe, Jane, Emilia	3/9
EightySecond	Wazza	1/9
an_gorta_pratai	ModeShifter	1/9
Blizer	CRichard564	1/9
PokemonKidRyan	TheBlueElixir	1/9

Please ping me if I made an error. May also do a replacement pingus soon because I still haven’t found any

[TheBlueElixir]

chloe

@Chloe

If you needed ground to work on, I’m confused why you didn’t state this conclusion in thread, or continue the questioning. It didn’t seem to lead anywhere.

indeed it didnt

I had the question ready before I subbed in and asked it

When I got the response I was like, ‘yeah, this looks alright’ and left RQS

I didnt actually think it fully through at the time, and didnt make a conclusion on ans based on that single question

its like most RQS questions; they just kind of exist, im not yet ready to make conclusions on it.

@Chloe

Why did you not ask this as a general question to the thread and instead specifically to Ans? Did you suspect him at the time?

because I know him specifically has played 1.5 previous games, the most recent was a wolf game. No, I didnt suspect him particularly.

@Chloe

Don’t do pointless RTs. You get nothing out of it, and it just looks wolfy.

wasnt pointless until I decided to end it. It wasnt a great RT, and I didnt put stock into it and

@Chloe

Also
“i would prefer to keep going forward” doesn’t add up - you didn’t vote someone else for 23 hours, its not as if you wanted to put your vote somewhere else. You could easily have waited for Centuries.

And thinking Emilia is town should not be a reason to out the RT?
You weren’t RTing Emilia
You were RTing Centuries

I didnt want to lie about my read on Emilia for an hour instead of just for an alright RT for Cent. And, yes, I didnt vote anywhere else, but I still moved forward by making real reads and conclusions.

@Chloe

I don’t find it absurd in the slightest that you’re being read for providing a method to solve based on interactions, yet you didn’t go through with it yourself until prompted. You also didn’t respond to Ans’ re-read to say whether or not you agree with his conclusions.
I see it as equivalent to saying “we should do NKA”, then not doing it yourself. Just looks like you’re trying to be helpful, but you don’t put in effort to go through with it.

‘we should do NKA’ could always be something from scum, if they killed someone that didnt suspect them

it could have agenda. My idea does not have agenda. And take the ‘we should do NKA’ analogy. Why cant town say that, but not have the time to do it, and just want to make sure other town do do it?

also, this is purely an effort read, and quite frankly hate this sort of read, so excuse me if i get a bit frustrated

the point about ans’ re-read…it was quite clear I didnt have time to respond to that yesterday, and I have not seen if his conclusions matched up with mine today, no. I see little reason to.

@Chloe

I am reading you off of the things you did. This one example happens to be something that you didn’t do.

the three points of

• opinion
• not doing quote wall yesterday
• quote wall first

that you admit(for the first and third) arent even wolfy makes me struggle to believe it

@Chloe

Your first post was entirely information-over-analysis, and lacked conclusions.

‘conclusions coming in the next post’

@Chloe

You didn’t state that it was a compilation of “every reply to ans>every thought about him” in the original post - so it looked as if it was quotes and conversations that you found to be AI, thus I called you out for IIoA, as you should be providing reasonings for each quote as you go.

With your second post clarifying that these were not quotes you found to be AI, and rather a complete list of interactions with Ans, I will accept this answer.

so I take it you admit this point is no longer valid

---

the argument against me is crumbling.

catchup

@PokemonKidRyan

You all are going to hate me.
I am the Mage who healed Ans.

im literally building a case against you now

and then you had this

WAIT!

if your FW youd know he was healed and could claim it

aha

I can continue this

@Jane

I’m currently writing my case on you, fyi.

Who would you like to lynch today, and why?

lololol

@Jane

My case on PKR is mostly done, but I do want them to be online when I post it for reasons™.

well

mines not

am kind of hoping it will be done by the time you post yours though

[anon6348071]

@ChopChop

What type of scum do you think UT is?
/Vote Gorta

Seth, last I checked you still haven’t built your case on EightySecond. I realize that I’m probably never going to get an answer but I’m going to ask for it for the fifth (sixth?) time nonetheless.

@TheBlueElixir

I didnt want to lie about my read on Emilia for an hour instead of just for an alright RT for Cent.

This might be weird phrasing, but why would it matter if you “lied about your read on Emilia for an hour” if you would be outing that as RT later afterwards? That doesn’t make much sense.
Unless you meant it in a “I decided I was going to drop the RT anyway and post my actual read on Emilia so it didn’t matter regardless” way.

Also TBE, aside from that – can I have your opinion on the threadstate right now?
You mentioned that scum might be coasting in your wallpost before but I don’t think any of the potential ‘coasters’ really match. I’ve gone over it in my own wallpost:

@anon6348071

Going over TR’s:
-Chloe/PK are never starting groupscum because of mechanics. (Unless PK is CL/MM and Chloe is a secondary scum and this was all staged, but I don’t believe in this at all. Also imo Chloe has a very noticeable tone shift when she is scum and I’m not seeing this here);
-Jane’s posts all still look good to me – the fact that they seem to constantly push their own viewpoint and thoughts. I would expect them to be pockety and try to stay under the radar, which isn’t what is happening here at all. Granted, this is mostly my observations from turbos;
-CRichard is just town. His tone feels fine, and even though he seems to post less I think it doesn’t mean much. Also our discussion in Allies makes me more convinced that he’s not scum here;
-EightySecond – already extensively talked about her slot, but from the recent posts I actually think that the RT on Wazza was good. “Good” in a sense that she gave her reasoning and backed it all up – I don’t see what scum stood to gain from it. She pointed out that she noticed him softing, then thought that he was retracting said soft – it doesn’t make much sense to bring that to attention if you are scum? Also I still haven’t seen a single good case on her slot even though numerous people seem to SL her, and at this point it seems like we are never going to get one;
-Unknown is same as Eighty, I talked about them before. The “slip” that PKR found doesn’t read like a slip to me, and my general impression from them was just a newer player. I think they would be far more careful and self-aware if they were scum, even if most of their recent posting is just fluff.

Going over TL’s:
-I’ve already elaborated on Emilia/Centuries and why I think both are probably town;
-Gorta dropped in activity a bit but I’ve seen him popping in the thread yesterday and I still stand by my words that him trying to explain his thoughts early on seemed towny – I’d expect him to feel a lot more strained as scum, though I guess if he dips for a while and does nothing then he might have to be reevaluated;
-Seth is just never a priority because he is King;
-Highway is in the same spot as Blizer – dead;
-Talked about PKR before: He seems to be hung up on mech and his constant apologizing seemed weird, but both are ‘normal’ for him. Would like to hear more things from him in general.

And the conclusion is that there’s no real conclusion.

The hottest takes so far are that Unknown feels “off and fake” from Gorta on which I don’t really agree + EightySecond potentially being scum, but again, I don’t see it after rereading her multiple times.

Also I hope PKR shows up soon so we can see Jane’s case on him, because the thread just died again.

[UnknownTraveler]

Hello I have arrived. Let me just answer some questions first.

@Chloe

Also
@UnknownTraveler @TheBlueElixir why do you guys want to be in bubble?

No reason really… or hmmm more of a reason that I can’t explain yet. When the time comes, it will all make a lot more sense

@PokemonKidRyan

You all are going to hate me.
I am the Mage who healed Ans.
That is why I was so sure it was Frost whatever it is which at least caused Magnus to die to the 1 night bleed thing.

Basically my will was like “If I die then it is likely to an absolute zero. So do not forget this.”

I could not risk being stopped from healing bleeding targets all game just because of Frost boi. So I took the risk and was willing to die. Luckily I didn’t this time.

HAHAHAHA… bruh ok really guys?
WHY ARE WE CLAIMING OUR CLASSES AGAIN. THERE WASN’T EVEN PRESSURE AHHHHHHHHH.
Also great, atleast we have A healer but like… you’re outted and you’re probably gonna get targeted out of all of us

[TheBlueElixir]

@anon6348071

This might be weird phrasing, but why would it matter if you “lied about your read on Emilia for an hour” if you would be outing that as RT later afterwards? That doesn’t make much sense.

i did

not

put much stock into that RT. It wasnt that good, it wasnt that bad, and it didnt need to exist. I thought the fastest way to go from someone who has given like 2 reads is to continue spitting out the reads as I make them, and I had made a read on app/emilia.

@anon6348071

Also TBE, aside from that – can I have your opinion on the threadstate right now?
You mentioned that scum might be coasting in your wallpost before but I don’t think any of the potential ‘coasters’ really match. I’ve gone over it in my own wallpost:

@anon6348071

And the conclusion is that there’s no real conclusion.

I got about the same spot

I think our guns are barreled at the wrong people (mainly me/Cent/and Emilia was?) and, well

Id pin it up to coasters. I think Chloe’s town, and their pushing me, I think Mode is town, and their pushing Cent, I kind think Wazza’s town, and their pushing(or at least pushed) Emilia.

working from there, I dont think scum are really pushing the agenda around. I think we have at least 1 wolf in Blizer/Highway, just because we’re both lacking scum presence and their presence

going further from there is a lot harder. I dont actually know where precisely to look. Ive kinda given what I did get earlier, in the post you were responding to, but I dont think much has changed.

[UnknownTraveler]

Also I kinda doubt PKR’s claim a bit, like anyone could have really claimed the heal on Ans since we already had a discussion on the game probably being a Frostweaver game and that Ans was healed from his bleed explaining why Magnus died but he didn’t, but I guess that’s more crazy theories.

[TheBlueElixir]

take

PKR is wolfier for that

[UnknownTraveler]

Maybe. Find it odd he decided to claim under barely any pressure when he could’ve just try to prove himself socially and keep quiet.

[TheBlueElixir]

a FW would know that he mustve been healed, and if he’s worried about PK Mage literally has an ability to stop it

also, what he said his logs is I find hard to believe

[anon6348071]

@TheBlueElixir

I think we have at least 1 wolf in Blizer/Highway

To be honest I’m all in for PK/Executioner/other vigs getting rid of Blizer at night because I feel like his execution would be mostly a waste since he doesn’t exist. Though, counterpoint: the PoE we have now is questionable at best.

Not so certain on Highway because I really liked their posts in the beginning, but I guess they could still be a vig target purely because I agree that it feels like:

@TheBlueElixir

we’re both lacking scum presence and their presence

Also, ironically:

@TheBlueElixir

I dont actually know where precisely to look.

This is how I’ve felt this game in general. I already told Jane, but it feels like my perspective reads barely work because there’s not much perspective to go off of.
And in cases where there is (Unknown/EightySecond), I’ve already explained it.

[anon6348071]

@UnknownTraveler

Also I kinda doubt PKR’s claim a bit, like anyone could have really claimed the heal on Ans

I mean it is possible that he’s faking it just because I didn’t die in vacuum – but we can’t know if he’s the only person who healed me or not.
And I don’t feel like going around outing more people for no reason.

[UnknownTraveler]

Fair enough. But something tells me people are gonna out themselves anyways…

[TheBlueElixir]

@anon6348071

To be honest I’m all in for PK/Executioner/other vigs getting rid of Blizer at night because I feel like his execution would be mostly a waste since he doesn’t exist.

unless the executioner has already condemned one of them its probably not worth using 2 day/night cycles for the executioner to kill one of them

it would be worth if they were bled today, because we could use the FW’s passive to clear PoE for us

@anon6348071

it feels like my perspective reads barely work because there’s not much perspective to go off of.

what do you mean by this?

[anon6348071]

Also there’s the fact that PKR claimed with 0 pressure on him + iirc people weren’t even actively discussing his slot at the time.
Which is a thing – because from what I remember about him in Insurgency I think he’s pretty capable of clearing himself socially at least in some capacity without having to resort to claiming.
But yeah.

[TheBlueElixir]

@anon6348071

because from what I remember about him in Insurgency

he claimed SoD2

@anon6348071

Also there’s the fact that PKR claimed with 0 pressure on him

I committed /vote on him

but I dont think anyone actually remembered so it doesnt matter