I perceived him as a much more experienced player at first.
Players of that level don’t need to lay a soft like that given the thread context.
I perceived him as a much more experienced player at first.
Players of that level don’t need to lay a soft like that given the thread context.
I’ve spectated that turbo actually, so I know about it.
Randomizer is same – I was privately spectating that game, but you replaced into a slot and then into basically an instant concede.
Will check the canned one later though, thank you.
But since you are here now – any reads?
Sorry, but I need to sleep.
mrrrrr
I have decided not to try to be back before EoD given how late it is
please ping me if you are willing to publicly commit to visiting me tonight
I’m not going to look over every Cult Alt (not fully sure how these even work), Unseen Ability, and Neutral ability, but publicly disclosing your visit targets seems very unwise.
I probably should have realized this earlier, but I’d highly recommend against publicly claiming to visit Arete tonight, or publicly claiming your visits at all.
That in mind, I don’t fully know if I consider Arete/Janes posts alignment indicative.
It also appears to be 3AM, I likely won’t be awake for EoD. Goodnight, and good luck tonight!
I’m absolutely not a fan of that ‘soft’ which is almost as good as openclaiming.
And I do agree on the second part. The confirmation they are potentially going to get isn’t even extremely detrimental/powerful if I got it right, but I don’t want to talk about this anymore.
Personally I don’t think it’s AI because I’ve seen very similar thing coming from them before.
Regardless, good night.
Jane have you read through the wallposts that you wanted to? Probably not, but I want to hear your thoughts now that there are more posts in general.
I’ve been mostly preoccupied with Joat9 postgame and engame discussion but I could start doing that now.
I was kinda trying to change my playstyle since I don’t like how people treated me there.
Had a lot of fun though, so I’ll probably just start playing like that again soon™.
Oh and @ChopChop have you picked your Allies for tonight yet?
6 hours in the day left and we haven’t really discussed this at all.
Quoting them here so it’s easier to sort through.
Alright, so I have woken up and I have already caught up on the thread.
Thoughts so far:
- Seth is just town. I’ve seen people saying his takes are weird/his readlist makes no sense, but unfortunately this is absolutely within town Seth’s range. His discussion with PKR and decision to give 4 weakest players the lynch sound like precisely the thing he would do in your average game. I know this is more of a meta read (and his meta is evolving from what I’ve seen), but as scum Seth just doesn’t exist. In 61 where half of the thread correctly scumread him early on, he was scum King as well and he literally posted twice/thrice, made a decision that was backed up with IIoA and then dipped. I don’t really see the resemblance here.
- Chloe seems fine so far. I wouldn’t go as far as to locktown her, but in both scum games of hers that I witnessed I was able to scumread her rather easily. Her attitude here is alright and nothing really feels manufactured or staged, like it did in her scum games.
- PKR’s opener was indeed weird, but his slot is actually improving imo – the vibes I got from his and Seth’s argument were ‘frustrated town’. In general, want to see a bit more from him, but he’s a slight TL for now.
- Jane had some interesting posts, but I think they are town for now. From my experience with them, they tend to be hyper when they get a neutral or scum, and while this Jane is active, it doesn’t quite feel on the same level? The post about Seth/PKR not being W/W is the one that a lot of you found off, but I think Jane has made similar assessments early on as well. Also, in my experience (again, this is just turbos, iirc they haven’t had an actual scum game in over a year?) Jane seems to be pockety and try to push agenda when they are scum. Of course, there’s not much to push on D1, but none of their posts really read like efforts to sway the thread.
- Arete is a hard null so far. Nothing I’ve seen from them couldn’t be faked, none of their takes display any hard stances – which is fine, since it’s early on. Still, want more from this slot and will judge it appropriately off of what they do later on.
- Reading back, I actually liked Blizer. His “aggression” seems towny (and I wouldn’t call it aggression to begin with), he was also one of the three people who actually aimed to make the thread progress. While that in itself is NAI, I feel like it’s still worth mentioning.
- Unknown’s opener was a hard null, but going down there were some of the posts that I didn’t like, and one in particular that I would like to question (which is what I’m going to do below). It is probably a bit too early to judge, but I really want this slot to interact with most other players for reasons.
Semi-related questions/quotes that I wanted to discuss:
@Arete @PokemonKidRyan @Chloe @anon6348071 acknowledge this post!
This one reads like Gorta’s typical posts? Nothing really pings me even though that opinion switch happened, it kinda reminds me of his Alice tinfoil in 61 which he posted despite not believeing in it.
My introduction was questionable now that I look back at it yes, fair enough. Not sure about what Centuries was trying to do there, but we are not scum buddies I can assure you that
This post… Exists. @UnknownTraveler would you mind elaborating as to why you wrote this? I.e. what was your intention – to clarify and acknowledge that your opener was meh or…?
Because to me this looks like unprompted defense that wasn’t really aimed at anyone, and was just posted for the sake of being posted – if that explanation makes sense.I don’t fully understand the significance of the Lord – but from what I can see, an evil one should probably be taken care of early?
Lord (King) generally should be left for last imo. While Lords are stronger than Kings on average in this setup, I still think it’s fine to not bother with Seth – not to mention that I think he’s town like I said above.
PKR, could you tell me as to how you approach the games usually? I.e., what is your gameplan: Hunt for scum or hunt for town? why are you appealing specifically to arete/jane I see that you’re talking with them consistently based on earlier posts, but why are you interested in discussing w/ them in the first place
I asked for Jane’s/Arete’s opinion in that post because the two were most prominent and present in the thread at that time.
Last but not least, readlist:
TR’s/TL’s:
Seth
Chloe
JanePKR
CRichard
Blizer
Gorta
Highway_101Nulls:
Arete
PsychoKang
Centuries
Wazza
EightySecond
Mathmods
ApprenticeSL’s/SR’s:
UnknownTravelerZeroposter:
MagnusFeel free to ask me if you want any details/explanations on it.
ChopChop:And you keep stating you aren’t the only one that reads me as EK when you can clearly see my response to you about “Gorta” should indicate and make it clear enough to you that I’m aware you aren’t the only fuckin one and I think you do realize that your just using it as an excuse.
scum can defend town and try to pocket them
I am pretty sure Chloe tried this in WoWFM PokemonKidRyan:I am not the only one considering him being EK.
That’s true, I suspect Seth as the EK and the last time I did it I was correct, but I won’t say I am super correct here
UnknownTraveler:an_gorta_pratai (Null) - Nothing much to say, Gorta appears to be one of those types who don’t type much, but idk. Opinions gonna change later probably
I am the resident slanker with gut reads, but my gut reads are pretty decent I would say
highway_101:why are you appealing specifically to arete/jane
I see that you’re talking with them consistently based on earlier posts, but why are you interested in discussing w/ them in the first place
I really do like this post from highway
wouldn’t be surprised if this is an alt, but enough of that. Why hasn’t anyone else asked this question? ChopChop:UnknownTraveller
Why in the hell is this your top town read? Do you have any reason why?
UnknownTraveler:posting readlists.
I usually don’t give full readlists, as it’s easier and better for me to focus on individual players and give reads in that way.
UnknownTraveler:I mean I’m just hoping it’s not a Cult game, cult alts still kinda confuse and these cult points are wierd
This post seems way too odd. I won’t say this is a wolf, but I really don’t like this post because if you are town you won’t have to worry about the cult alts and point bs. You aren’t likely to even get converted because they usually go for players like Arete and such.
EliThePsycho:an_gorta_pratai - Has not talked that I have seen.
Hello, I am usually a low poster, but I will post more this game, unless something comes up
anon6348071:it kinda reminds me of his Alice tinfoil in 61 which he posted despite not believeing in it.
That was a tinfoil, while I didn’t really like Unknown’s opening posts and I still don’t really like them
Apprentice:pls eval my hot take on Jane (not the initial W/W stuff, the stuff I recently posted)
Ok, let me look at it
Apprentice:Jane asks Blizer for reads and PsychoKang responds and Jane just goes with it
Apprentice:like doesn’t readdress Blizer at all
If psycho is GS I would be surprised because they seem like newbtown, but I don’t think interactions like this should be dismissed. I have done what Psycho has done here as town before, but yeah I won’t call it a terrible read
Crich made a lot of walls, effort and tone here is already heavily V-indicative.
I’ll comb through them later to see if they found anything I missed.
Also a lot of big non-wall posts from you/highway and some from EightySecond.
Time to get digging.
Myself - Silent guy who suddenly decided to try and read people even though he is utterly horrible at it. Slightly meread
This… exists. Gut says it’s rand<V.
Anstreim - Passive for now, too little to say.
At the time when this post was made, I honestly felt the same.
Eighty - Unsure. Seems to be new-ish?
Don’t get why they think Eighty is new? They don’t seem new to me.
Not AI though.
Unknown - Weird slip-ups (Cent and him not GS, Seth backing off and him saying it was because he was probably evil.) Otherwise good thinking and actions. For now assuming an uncertain stance towards him.
I think this is slightly villagery. As scum they’d probably sheep consensus on it (assuming it is V) or give it a slight wolf-read (Assuming it is W).
Centuries - Getting a tad aggressive on accusations against them.
Don’t like that this didn’t have a conclusion.
Chloe - Shooting down bad logic and attempting to get people on board. Overall good, leaning towards town for now.
I like the logic in this read, probably villagery.
Apprentice - Weird opener
No conclusion either
Seth - Assuming he is evil for now. His actions in the beginning were uninformed (or masked as uninformed for evil purposes), thus making it NAI, but him constantly baiting PKR into a long hyperposting act isn’t exactly good.
Don’t think this is a good read, but I also don’t think it’s one a wolf would make? Like, King doesn’t know their teammates, so the “uninformed” part is weird?
Could be slightly Chancellor-AI but that’s getting into tinfoil-y territory.
Highway - Weird introduction, but letting it slide. Uncertain for now.
Not sure why it differs from Apprentice then. Could you explain your reasoning here more @mathmods. (In general would also be helpful if possible).
(I know that this post doesn’t have a conclusion, I was hoping they were online right now to clarify some things but it doesn’t seem like it.)
Currently leaning V on it, I guess.
Arete is a hard null so far. Nothing I’ve seen from them couldn’t be faked, none of their takes display any hard stances – which is fine, since it’s early on. Still, want more from this slot and will judge it appropriately off of what they do later on.
Only thing I slightly disagree with is this. I’m not saying the logic is bad (it isn’t) but my gut says they’re not groupscum - and it has been fairly accurate on them. Might be because they just haven’t had a scumgame recently?
iirc they haven’t had an actual scum game in over a year?
7.75 months
FoL 24 where I was groupscum with katze, in case anyone wants to read it.
(Don’t think it’ll be super helpful in terms of reading me since it’s very outdated. I think my towngames will be more helpful;)
Probably mostly going to try read you on whether or not I think you’re being unreasonable with village-reading people (or not doing so when I think you should) since SFoL 61.5 is a thing.
So far, I’d say it’s a pretty good look for you.
Gorta
Could you explain this more (or point to where you did)? I think I recall you explaining it while I was skimming but I can’t find it anymore.
but my gut says they’re not groupscum - and it has been fairly accurate on them
Well, you know my stance on gutreads and D1 reads in general.
Like I said before I’m not a fan of that ‘soft’ but almost the same thing happened in 61.5, so I don’t really view it as AI.
It’s not like they are particularly engaged with the thread right now, so I think it’s hasty to judge.
FoL 24 where I was groupscum with katze, in case anyone wants to read it.
Yeah, we spoke about this before but I don’t think there’s much merit in reading a game that happened almost 8 months ago.
So I’ll judge you from your in-thread posts, and so far I haven’t seen anything that has set me off.
Here:
You are actually trying to explain your takes and they seem to be more or less… unique. I feel like you would be more self-aware or nervous as scum and would post less, but to be fair I haven’t seen any of your scumgames.
Also, nothing that I’ve read from you so far set me off.
This is what I meant when I said that he seems to be giving his own takes and backing up his thoughts.
I think these are the most AI parts of what seems to be a catch-up post.
I really do like this post from highway
wouldn’t be surprised if this is an alt, but enough of that. Why hasn’t anyone else asked this question?
I like this part, but I honestly can’t say why? It just feels villagery.
Why in the hell is this your top town read? Do you have any reason why?
I think scum!gorta here would be less agressive/angry and ask for reasoning without assuming they don’t have any. It shows gotta believes in his read on Traveller, which is Villagery.
I usually don’t give full readlists, as it’s easier and better for me to focus on individual players and give reads in that way.
Also, scum!gorta would probably be more complacent here as their priority would be that people think of them as V if they were a wolf.
Also, care to elaborate on your strongest reads for now?
I don’t think they answered this? Could be helpful to see what they’re at, although I already think they’re a villager.
(Going to take a break for now and then move on to Crich’s walls.)