Shortnight 2: Return of the POGGERS - Day 5 [6/15] - Mafoa win, Everybody (including chloe) loses

im too tired to even remember reads

wait so is it last night before sod2 or

and after the NK on Marl

why didn’t I just say that all in one post lol

SoD2 as in I’m on european time and SoD was at like 6 pm so sometime after 6 pm

okay so why is Marshal wagoning Mist a point for Marshal being wolfier than Chloe

I thought there was some more evidence stacked against Marshal than Chloe but after the wagons I thought there was substantially more evidence

this also looked wolfy and I’m not ignoring it. But Marshal started the wagon and it was legitimately a bad push.

why is that wolfy

walk me through your PoV

the thing is that it would be very easy to convince town to hop on a Mist wagon because she was LHF so I still think Marshal leading the wagon jump is wolfier than anyone following it? is that not a legit reason?

actually @Chloe what was your reasoning on joining the Mist wagon?

I mean the entire reason I was asking you was to hear what your reasoning was

so that I could try to figure out if it checks out or not

apparently I did not get a reason from Chloe, RIP

and then iirc after that post someone jumped on me for giving information and no analysis

I think it was Marshal but then he jumped to a TR on me which was… weird

‘it’s wolfier to start a wagon on a villager/LHF villager/etc. than to sheep the wagon’ is at the very least something I can imagine someone actually thinking, in my experience it’s below rand to be true but Marshal’s actually an exception, and you being wrong about general trends of what wolves and villagers tend to do isn’t wolfy

I know it’s been said that Chloe can dig her way out of the PoE as scum if she survives longer than the start of the game, so maybe I should be paying closer attention to it tbh.

Marshal on the other hand has been digging himself deeper into my PoE by the things he’s done so far during D2. It’s just a combination of different reasons at this point and it’s a lot of pinging me the wrong way. I think his sudden TR on me was for some reason I considered to be fairly trivial and looked more like a pocket attempt because he figured he could still get me to vote Chloe out as she’s still also in my PoE. I see him doing that as a wolf even with Chloe as a wolf partner for towncred and that’s why I said I don’t think one flipping wolf clears the other.

well, it’s not like I’d know Marshal is an exception. I’m also perfectly aware that wolves often sheep onto LHF and that’s why, as you pointed out, I can’t clear Chloe for it either (or FK for that matter). but I think the posts leading up to the Mist wagon speak for themselves as I recall (not gonna look them up again right now because I need to get some studying done) and it looked more like a “get off of me and onto someone else” who conveniently is LHF, as opposed to a number of other people Marshal could’ve CFD’d to.

Considering Marshal was pushing Chloe for pretty much the entire game, and had pushed Chloe probably a couple hours before that as well, why did he CFD to Mist instead of Chloe? I might have been kind of tired but I recall seeing “let’s actually yeet Mist for not doing anything” and then encouraging people to wagon her, at which point Trochi tagged her in the thread to get her to show up and give some sort of defense.

I guess I’m saying, in that particular situation, the Mist wagon leader looks wolfier than the followers because of the reasoning.

I do need to reassess FK though because he was also on the Mist wagon… he’s still in my PoE but was trending slightly upwards mainly because other people have been trending downwards, so I guess when I come back I’ll give it another go.

nod

I think I find it easier to see Marshal’s move as coming from town than you-if-you-are-town do because I also thought Mist was playing to her wolf-meta so it’s easy for me to see Marshal’s push there as motivated by a villager who legitimately thought she was a wolf

if you’re town I can vaguely see how you might find that harder to see, since you were repping a townread (or townlean, or whatever, don’t go yell at me about this post just because somewhere in your Iso you put her in the PoE) on her