Shortnight 2: Return of the POGGERS - Day 5 [6/15] - Mafoa win, Everybody (including chloe) loses

I’m asking you because you and Osie both at least somewhat read my posts but arrived at opposite conclusions

So I’m trying to determine if one of you is a wolf

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ew i just found mold on my cheez-itz

Actually, at the moment I’m leaning slightly more toward Osie being a wolf but I feel like I need to see more posts from them to really make a read.

Gross D:

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I’m done eating so it’s time to explain in more depth what I’m feeling with the night kill. The night kill I didn’t expect, I expected that Blizer was going to die due to the fact that he was tunneling Chloe (who I was scumreading), he was obvious town, and he was a general leader in the thread at the time. My next train of thought was why he didn’t die, and the first thing that popped up was the way he acted at EOD with regards to wanting to yeet Chloe, he told people to turbo yeet Chloe if he dies during the night and marshal is a wolf( and he even got Leafia to promise if that occurs to vote Chloe. There are two scenarios here

1.Chloe is a wolf
2.Chloe is a villager

I think Chloe is a strong enough wolf being able to use the death of Arete as evidence that they are town, after all, dead players cannot change their reads and are therefore useful to mafia if they kill the right people. However, if the past is any indicator of the future, if we assume Chloe is mafia, we can also assume that the Marluxion kill was due to wanting to kill people against Chloe, no matter the thread reaction. Not killing blizer makes little sense if we assume that Chloe does’t really care about the thread reaction to it.

Though, there is a general problem with this line of thinking. If Chloe didn’t kill Marluxion, then who did? Someone had to after all, why would they kill marluxion?. If Chloe isn’t mafia, Mafia killed marluxion in order to frame Chloe and to take out a person widely town read. Looking at the arete kill…an Arete kill does the exact opposite of this, which again doesn’t really make sense because we can’t assume that both “Chloe never kills arete and marl there” and “wolf team killing arete and marl makes little sense” are both true. I think though, that the night kill makes sense if you believe that the wolf team don’t have at least one strong player. After all, Chloe was near guaranteed to be yeeted the next day if Blizer died there, it makes little sense for an experienced wolf to not notice that.

I think the second potential wolf could be Osie. I’m not sure how good of a player Osie is, as I mostly know that they are a good reviewer, however, I’m assuming that they are experienced in Forum Mafia and therefore I’m going to be reading them keeping that in mind. I think Osie saying they had a bad gut feeling to Blizer’s EOD is wolfy, especially considering the fact that Blizer was not wolfy in the slightest, *the marshal hammer never comes from a wolf and the way he said “fuck you I can preflip, who I want” both scream that Blizer is a villager who does not give a fuck about being scumread or being constrained by the confines of what is considered “good village play”. Osie should know this if they are experienced and them saying they had a bad gut feeling with regards to that reveals that they are looking at Blizer’s posts from a shallow point of view, rather than considering if a wolf would actually post the way Blizer posted.

I’m not really sure on who the third wolf could be I’m going to have to look through peoples posts

wait did some of my post get deleted

what the actual fuck I’m mad

I’m going to try to redo the parts that are missing

this is why phone wall posting is bad

Relatable

I mean those are literally the only two scenarios in existence as those are the only possible alignments lol
But I’m guessing since part of your post got deleted, there was more elaboration on it

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I’m trying to figure out where I want to place a vote and I have no fucking clue who the scumteam would be at this point. Thinking Centuries and FK but I don’t really know. PoE with Arete flipping town looks more like Chloe/FK/Centuries/Sulit and then one of Osie/Light but that’s too wide and obviously all of my reads have been wrong.

I know those are the only two scenarios but the wall was set up in a way for me to collect and reason through my thoughts since I find it easier to reason through about what I’m actually thinking about if I write it down and this kill definitely called for it.

What it is missing is me saying that I think Sulit has a good chance at being a wolf in a world where Chloe is town. They said they thought both the wagons yesterday were town, however instead of trying to change them they instead decided to lament in the thread about how she feels like a jerk for voting either of them, or she feels like they are both town. This reeks of knowing that both the wagons are town while not wanting to actually do anything about the wagons, while also wanting to seem towny when a person flips or when they both flip. It’s performative in nature.

That’s the summed up verision but not word for word

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@sulit can you go through your thoughts process at EOD yesterday

Also I think I’m at a 100% Arete misread rate which obviously says I do not know how to read them lol

if Chloe is scum I will scream

/vote Chloe

Cents is wolf Imo rn

EoD and Marshal flip made him look terrible

Will be on later, having a fucking draining convo with the fam

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mm