Shortnight 2: Return of the POGGERS - Day 5 [6/15] - Mafoa win, Everybody (including chloe) loses

[WindwardAway]

If he starts being active in LyLo and pushing people, I mean

[Blizer]

Yeah tbh i agree

Centuries coming into day 3 for me, before the mindmeld, i think was wolflean for me? i would need to get my n2 post i made

i remember that i hated Cents EoD (I know it was IRL stuff when he was asleep as he brought up SoD 3, but still wasnt good)

He was like wolf reading Marshal`s slot and shit, so he has like, build up to that read and vote, but i felt like he was kinda, disconnected in a way? timing of the Ranch Dip talk was disruptive during the Arete/Wind/Fk interaction, but that could have been applied to multiple people lol

today, he feels slightly townier now to me, that interaction with wind was solid from his side tbh, but yea.

In general, macro reads i feel like

are not good, because everyone is going to have bad macro here tbh

[Blizer]

also in class rn, and i wrought that up in the middle of a lecture lol

[Centuries]

@Blizer

Arete/Wind/Fk interaction,

also wtf what’s the point of w me disrupting this if it’s pure V/V/V fight

[Centuries]

i genuinely slapped myself here over how dumb this is

[WindwardAway]

This is actually a valid point

[Blizer]

idk

it was when it happend

again, i said its not really like

fucking AI though, cause multiple people, including myself took part in that

[Chloe]

I did!
Hence the not sheeping it like gospel

I think the article sucks in this scenario
It just kinda popped that idea into my mind

[WindwardAway]

Although if there actually is a wolf in there then lol

[Centuries]

@WindwardAway

if there actually is a wolf in there then lol

unless you’re scumreading FK here then it’s a lol openwolf moment but then it doesnt fit

[Centuries]

i cant even use this article to my advantage because where im at fmpov the article literally goes “oh this wont work after this article gets released because wolves will use this to their advantage”

[Chloe]

I’m not saying conroy is 100% wolf but
If he is a wolf (don’t read into this unless he flips red, basically)

It’s implied that my box is correct by his recent actions

Conroy
Leafia
Gorta
Light

[WindwardAway]

I meant in the case it’s FK, yeah

[WindwardAway]

This literally looks the same as my weird mindmeld uncleared list

[Centuries]

@Chloe

unless he flips red,

you’re never reading into it and if i die we lose anyway because im the only one pushing for a mostly correct poe

just saying

[WindwardAway]

Cents, what’s your current PoE look like?

[Centuries]

FK You Gorta Light

[Centuries]

How wacky what should I do now self vote and ate perhaps it will appeal to someone o_O

[WindwardAway]

I think it would appeal to Chloe tbh
AtE does nothing to me so idc

[Centuries]

@Centuries

I really don’t think Chloe is scum

I think she’s probably getting pocketed

Kinda weird how me defending Chloe = pocketing but others actually abusing the way she does threadreads to pocket her isn’t like, actually noticed

@Centuries

When I defend Chloe I’m not looking for a TR from her, I’m looking to actually save her, which is something that you were close to doing twice

like am I dumb for thinking there’s 2 or more wolves in Wind/FK/Blizer

I think TRing on Mindmelds is dumb, you can fake Mindmelds without much precedent, my read on Chloe can’t be faked with this much progression I feel

@Centuries

I feel like the lack of actual action? fighting? indicates that a wolf hasn’t been a serious wagon option today. We’re this close to LYLO yet there’s no actual fights? Light just sits there? I don’t really feel it’s something a wolf would do?

My issue is that the wagon I want is yet again unfeasable because somehow this gamestate happens

I dunno, we are too fucking scattered around, I don’t feel like current wagon composition does us any good and Wolves probably aren’t all on the same wagon so they can accelerate

That’s how I feel at least

@Centuries

If Chloe is town we have seen that the wolves can do contradicting NKA, in a world where the vast majority of viable NKs (might aswell say all of them) actually SR me it’s really dumb to actually look at the kills and go “lvl 1 NKA conroy is wolf”

I think Osie didn’t have good reads, like Grace in PoE despite her being obvious V, Gorta/Leafia as a team? I really doubt they are aligned here (at least not W/W) so with my knowledge Osie was probably killed to push a wolf agenda, Osie would have flipped reads if all their TRs stayed alive I feel, Chloe is obviously alive because Chloe, at the very worst there’s a wolf in like Gorta/Leafia which I doubt. FMPOV it’s apparent enough that Osie wasn’t killed for having correct reads but moreso for having potential solve~ish the day after. With no actual good NKs for scum outside of Osie, the kill probably served them both in the fact that they could’ve been the most correct person who is TR’d the day after and well, they had reads that were wrong enough that you can push agenda from it

@Centuries

The Wind/FK connection is really weird, they ignore the fact that they were each other actually scumread by Arete and they just reflect onto me, I feel like this buddying (more-so ignoring reads) is W/W indicative.

I think Blizer is the likeliest villager out of the 3 because I don’t think Blizer actually exploits Chloe’s faulty way to make reads.

I feel like talking about “who would do what NK” is pretty dumb, both angles can be correct, the reads have to come from actual dayplay, threadreads, not paranoia.

As Arete pointed out, both FK & Wind wanted the status quo to remain. Arete probably didn’t understand my read on Chloe back then but on the other hand Wind/FK really feel like opportunist pushing for Chloe

Their readflip don’t happen at the same time but both seem pretty not natural? I don’t think it’s both as damning, there’s points that hurt one more than the other.

I’m playing this as if they were the same entity, I’m kinda narrow-focused on that but eh

@Centuries

Since Blizer/Chloe are playing this angle where the FK read gets flipped upside down from nowhere I guess that I have to co-operate with the 3 townies out of the Grace/Leafia/Light/Gorta pool and then convince one of Chloe/Blizer

I’m also realizing that I’m not in that bad of a spot, I’m afraid of the thread collapsing on me but wagons don’t look that bad as of right now

@Centuries

Wind’s reaction to me being potentially really feels like they are trying to keep the status quo

@WindwardAway

I misread Cents in Countries FM as towny when he was a lost wolf,and I certainly could have misread him in this game.

This kinda feels like TMI if I flip

@WindwardAway

the Sulit flip did make me slightly doubt my SR on him again,especially since my vote has consistently been on a town consensus wagon every single day and it’s been wrong, but usually if I survive until later in the game I can more or less figure out the scumteam.

And this is kinda like, not evaluating me it’s just boasting how good their read is

Thats’ my take

my pov

thats it