Shortnight 2: Return of the POGGERS - Day 5 [6/15] - Mafoa win, Everybody (including chloe) loses

[Blizer]

Me, Chloe, Osie had mindmeld on Cents yesterday regarding how his mindset kinda follows the kills in away

D1, Wolf Reads Chloe, Marl dies, someone who was tunneling Chloe, Chloe looks worse

D2, Flips read on Chloe, Arete Dies, someone who was supporting that Chloe was T/T with Marshal, which makes the slot look better

that was general thought process of it basically

and that was mindmeld me, Chloe, and Osie got to

[Chloe]

why do you not do NKA until it incriminates you

[Centuries]

@Blizer

D1, Wolf Reads Chloe, Marl dies, someone who was tunneling Chloe, Chloe looks worse

Blizer, do you genuinely think the scum play here is to

@Blizer

D2, Flips read on Chloe

Like it’s just I don’t know I can’t

[Blizer]

Ill wait till like

Cents FK and Chloe are on at the same time here

i think having all 3 online, and like having them re-eval each other

is the smart move to do here, and see where all 3 of their mindsets go to in regards towards the other two slots

[Centuries]

@Chloe

why do you not do NKA until it incriminates you

I didn’t do Arete NKA to push for anyone if that’s what you’re thinking

I just did Marl NKA and then dropped off, genuinely changing my read

[Chloe]

@Centuries

Marl is literally the perfect Chloe kill

Chloe went from “Oh I’m going to selfvote I just die” to “Oh I’m town leader I’m going to lead town into lynching Marshal” and I bet he fucking flips town because I don’t think he has done anything particularly wolfy compared to the average Marshal

nvm i found some

i just remember yesterday you went “arete kill could come from anyone tbh” and didnt remember you doing any marl nka

was wrong

[Blizer]

Honestly

again, thats just basic NKA yeah

we need to re-eval multiple slots here

[Centuries]

I think there’s some people who have done the reads flip in a way more agenda~y way cough

[Blizer]

Actually Cents,

lets do a re-eval on winds slot here

i think similar to FK, Macro wise, he does not look good rn

[Leafia]

You’re ed a likely wolf here too, so I’d replace Centuries with you in the people that need re evaling list to be honest.

[Centuries]

Also I don’t remember who said that but

I didn’t vote Sulit you know

Gorta hammered her

I didn’t vote

[Leafia]

Yeah. Like Blizer for example.

[Blizer]

again

Gorta looks bad from both the osie kill and the Sulit hammer tbh

[Blizer]

Im not pushing agenda hullo

im actually like trying to re-eval this game atm, and find out who wolves are

[Leafia]

I think you are pushing agenda by trying to make people look worse than they look.

[Blizer]

if you do think that

actually do an iso slot

go do it, if you think im wolf

im not stopping you on that

im trying to figure this game out

[Chloe]

dont forget to look at mist too @Leafia

[Blizer]

[quote=“sulit, post:9488, topic:85810, full:true”]

SUlit wolfcase

??/

sulit

get motivationg to do things
wow

PART I: INTRODUCTION

Sulit! You’ve been saying you’ve been ISOing someone!!!
Yes!!
My friends today we visits why Windward should be a viable lynch option and a potentially wolf poggers???
Sulit looked at interaction between arete and windward and its kinda wolfy, bro
Whoa sulit!!
tell us more!!

ok!!

pog!!

look!!

PART 2: THE RECKONING

Sulit !!

why is wind a wolf???

good question
first we must present the evidence

QUOTES

Arete

@Arete

Windward’s posting over the last hour or so has been legitimately wolfy

why do people townread her again

like she has some individually good wallposts but on a macro level her reasons for voting Marshal over Chloe feel like she’s trying to force herself to come to a specific conclusion (which is wolfy regardless of their alignments, like, I’m not saying ‘so this makes Marshal town’) which is kind of TMIish

@Arete

a lot of the time when you look at the evidence for them it feels like you had your conclusion already in mind, like earlier when you were saying that the Marl nightkill made her more likely to be town because wolves probably killed Marl to make her look suspicious (despite not having any particular reason to think that was the case, like, it’s not like we can compare it to other nightkills this game or whatever), the thought process is almost there but not quite there

that’s not the only example but it’s the first one that comes to mind

@Arete

Wind you’re not trying to evaluate my mindset for doing anything you’re just going ‘Arete has a TAKE that I DON’T LIKE so it must be agenda’ rather than trying to figure out what my motivation would be for having that take as each alignment (especially given that none of the people that the take in question is about have even flipped yet)

I think you’re a better villager than that

[quote=“Arete, post:5641, topic:85810”]

@WindwardAway

This is like a desperate pocket attempt
[/quote]

…it’s not a pocket attempt, I’m calling you a wolf

@Arete

if Wind had like, considered my arguments and disagreed, that would have been fine

the issue I had with their post was that they jumped straight from the fact that I was arguing for Marshal/Chloe being potentialyl V/V to ‘Arete must be TMIing’ rather than actually considering my arguments, which if they are V/V makes sense from the perspective of a wolf who wants to maintain the status quo

@Arete

I think both of your responses to me suggesting that Chloe/Marshal could be V/V kind of suck, I was focusing more on you because I think you’re independently wolfier

(Litten’s in particular feels aligned with you but yours feels antialigned with Litten so I don’t really know what to make of that)

@Arete

and see

this is another example of the thing you’ve been doing where you have the conclusion in mind before you actually make the post?

@WindwardAway

See a potential derpclear? clear them for towncred. See a potential ML opportunity? Push it.

like you specifically are considering this only from the perspective of ‘why would Arete do this as scum’ and not ‘why would Arete do this as town,’ like, you’re not considering the possibility that I might … be trying to clear villagers and push wolves…, you’re starting with a specific conclusion

@Arete

but if I can’t say that then I guess … Wind more-or-less ignoring all the actual arguments to focus on – I’m not totally clear what their point is, but they object to something about how I say I don’t know who the wolves are while also giving a PoE of five people? or maybe how I say that you and Marshal are V/V without being absolutely confident of who the actual wolves are? I’m not totally sure which – either way the thing they’re doing is kind of wolfy because they’re sidestepping basically all of the actual content of my argument to nitpick the fact that it’s not good at being a case on who we should vote out instead, when it wasn’t intended to be in the first place

[quote=“Arete, post:5712, topic:85810”]

@WindwardAway

and then you tried to derpclear me for suddenly worrying there were 4 wolves, but when I said I just forgot I read the OP you jumped on me for being wolfy.
[/quote]

this is a misrepresentation of what I did

me saying that you were being wolfy has literally nothing to do with you reading or not reading the OP

@Arete

Wind – A lot of her reads feel like she had the answer in mind before making the read, which points to her thought process not being totally genuine. Also, her response to my arguments that Marshal and Chloe were V/V was kind of weh – rather than actually responding to my main points, she got really hung up on some sort of argument about me giving a five-person PoE (still kind of unclear about what her actual issue with this was to be totally honest)

@Arete

…Wind I want to respond to your wallpost but I’m not really sure I can because you literally don’t bring up any counterarguments to my points on why Chloe and Marshal is V/V besides a couple of ‘well he could be doing X as a wolf,’ you’re just like ‘but this would also make sense if Arete is a wolf trying to get attention off of wolf!Marshal’ which … isn’t an argument …

@Arete

they just … don’t respond to any of my actual arguments?

like if I try to trace a line through their thought process they are at the very least not considering my arguments in good faith , I am not calling them lock wolf for that because I know they’re new and it’s possible that they’re just really tunnelled on a me!wolf world such that they’re not allowing themself to consider a world where I’m town + right, but their entire response to my wallpost can be summarized as ‘since Arete is saying this, Marshal is probably a wolf, because Arete is trying to push away from the top two wagons,’ like that’s not even a mischaracterization it’s the crux of their argument

the fact that they have a lot of words doesn’t change that

@Arete

Wind if you are actually town here, which I doubt but technically isn’t impossible, I think you should seriously rethink how you make reads, you’ve basically spent the entire day confbiasing yourself based on the conclusion you want to see and only evaluating things from that perspective and considering whether it fits with that perspective, rather than actually considering other possibilities and trying to figure out what makes the most sense, if you’re actually a villager that’s a bad habit to be in and your reads will be more accurate if you can break it

@Arete

Wind is not lock wolf, I think it’s likely but I see more than zero worlds where they’re just a badly playing villager

Windward

@WindwardAway

the thing is that Arete literally discredited Chloe’s reads, as well as mine, and that tilts me because it’s very likely a wolfy thing the way it was done.

@WindwardAway

anyway, really honestly, Arete’s conclusion that I either have to be a wolf or a really bad villager because my reads don’t match theirs is pretty bad

@WindwardAway

because Arete has literally been pushing me for saying I don’t want to change my reads and then calling me a wolf for it or otherwise a bad villager

@WindwardAway

when they have done absolutely nothing to make me want to change my reads on them

@WindwardAway

idk does anyone see my point

I know FK or Centuries did point out that Arete just plopped all of us into their PoE for disagreeing which was weh

@WindwardAway

uh yes

this has literally been you twisting my words the entirety of D2

@WindwardAway

give another wallpost, make town think again, case me/FK/Centuries and honestly? try harder to make me change my mind on this.

@WindwardAway

it’s the other way around

I have reasons and then I give reads
I never plopped a readlist in here without context as I recall, but I’m becoming less of a fan of readlists and wallposting and more of a fan of reading people’s underlying motives
and I see a lot of underlying motive from you in particular

@WindwardAway

same goes for you

I actually think you’re one of the top players on the forums and I admitted to struggling to read your slot
but I see you sidelining all of my arguments by simply saying that I’m misreading everything you’re saying
which is frankly getting kind of old

@WindwardAway

you know, it’s funny because every time this has been used as an argument against me it’s come from a wolf

@WindwardAway

the thing is just that Arete is not responding particularly well to my pressure imo

@WindwardAway

I saw a weird response earlier in the day, when I questioned their attempt to derpclear Gorta and me

I saw a weird response in the middle of the ranch dip conversation

and I’m seeing a weird response here, too

and it’s very consistently “you are misrepresenting what I say”

@WindwardAway

what kind of a response is this supposed to be?

@WindwardAway

Fair enough

I’m just saying that because I’ve seen it happen in other games so that’s literally why I pointed it out. I didn’t want people immediately turning to Chloe and calling her lockwolf for something that shouldn’t spew her either way.

@WindwardAway

You guys honestly better case me tomorrow or something cause I’m not a wagon today but I do think you should case me soon

@WindwardAway

for that matter I find it a little odd how Arete decided to call me wolfy earlier in the thread after I posted my readlist

I mean I know my readlist was written off the top of my head because i had the reads written down but not the explanations, but idk
something about the specific way they were reading me pinged me as kind of off

@WindwardAway

How I convinced myself Arete is probably a wolf

@WindwardAway

Wait how many wolves are in this game lol

I think I made a mistake cause I assumed it was 3 and literally just realized it’s 4
Aaaaaaaa

@Arete

is this a derp clear

Arete was quick to try to derpclear me for realizing that there would normally be 4 wolves in a 15p game. This isn’t the first derpclear they’ve tried to give someone a little too fast and for not very well grounded reasons imo (the other one I remember being Gorta for not reading the EoD vote count).

@WindwardAway

It is not a derp clear, I would always have assumed there were 4 to begin with had I not read the OP

and I did in fact read the OP but forgot that’s why I knew there were 3

If anything you should be questioning me more for it and not less lol

So I pointed it out to Arete and the response I got was pretty underwhelming, like they just immediately rescinded the derpclear.

@Arete

well I mean

if you’re a wolf then you’d always know there are three

so the question is whether I believe that you didn’t make that up

When I countered it by saying they shouldn’t derpclear me so easily because I did go the whole game up until that point thinking there were 3 wolves (because, duh, I had skimmed the OP when I replaced in but I only forgot the specific reason why I assumed there were 3), Arete said there’s a chance I could’ve just made it up, implying it was somehow performative rather than a derpclear. Which, yes, is something I encouraged by saying it shouldn’t be a derpclear, but also they went a little too fast from “Wind is derpcleared” to “Wind is wolfy”.

@Arete

Windward’s posting over the last hour or so has been legitimately wolfy

why do people townread her again

like she has some individually good wallposts but on a macro level her reasons for voting Marshal over Chloe feel like she’s trying to force herself to come to a specific conclusion (which is wolfy regardless of their alignments, like, I’m not saying ‘so this makes Marshal town’) which is kind of TMIish

I don’t know how the Marshal/Chloe thing comes across as TMI; I actually don’t know what about it specifically could be seen as TMI and I’d like more of an explanation on it. All I said was that essentially I think Marshal flips wolf regardless of Chloe’s alignment, but Chloe could flip either way. Marshal’s flip never clears Chloe, and Chloe’s flip doesn’t clear Marshal, but I would personally want to vote out the player I think is wolfier first (because I consistently didn’t do that in the JoAT game except for D1 and that was two huge mistakes I made in my townplay). We never leave Marshal or Chloe to LyLo, anyway, because it’s pretty objectively not a good idea.

Also, I don’t think people have been slapping townreads on me. I’m still in the PoE of at least half the players. Only Chloe has TR’d me afaik, so idk where Arete’s getting this idea that I seem to be consensus TR’d.

@Arete

a lot of the time when you look at the evidence for them it feels like you had your conclusion already in mind, like earlier when you were saying that the Marl nightkill made her more likely to be town because wolves probably killed Marl to make her look suspicious (despite not having any particular reason to think that was the case, like, it’s not like we can compare it to other nightkills this game or whatever), the thought process is almost there but not quite there

that’s not the only example but it’s the first one that comes to mind

@Arete

sure

but that’s not a reason to townread her

@Arete

see you say that but your actions suggest otherwise!

Their case on me builds off the idea that I already knew the exact reason Marl was nightkilled, which comes across as strange to me because I see no reason why I couldn’t make a guess as town and also feel at least somewhat confident my theory is not a shot in the dark. Arete says I’ve given Marl’s death as a reason to townread Chloe, when Chloe is still sitting in my PoE and definitely not what I’d call a townread (the only thing I’ve said is that Marshal is below Chloe in my readlist, which I still stand by).

I honestly don’t know if what I said about the night kill got misconstrued and that other people thought that I specifically meant that Chloe is town. That was never the intention; I just meant, as I explained earlier, that probably the wolfteam is not exactly Arete/Chloe because it would be a better wolf move to discredit Marl and let him live as opposed to straight-out killing him because he had deadly accuracy. I could be wrong, though, but that’s just what I personally think is a better wolf play. Why people decided to jump off the Chloe wagon hopefully has nothing to do with what I said about Marl’s reads; you should all be making your own decisions and not just sheeping what I say. I’ve never been the ringleader in this game, anyway, so I kind of doubt this was even an issue.

Arete then pulls the following quote from me:

@WindwardAway

because I think Marl was specifically killed to throw us off the wolf trail, and not because he was right

My response:

@WindwardAway

Yes, because I’ve seen that happen where someone dies and they’re either half wrong or fully wrong on the wolf team but everyone runs off with it as gospel and reads the game incorrectly due to that.

He said the wolf team was Chloe/Arete so likely the team is not exactly Chloe/Arete. I didn’t say both of you are town, or that you’re w/v. Anything that isn’t w/w makes Marl wrong.

So here Arete cases me as wolfy because my actions don’t line up with what I’ve been saying, and I’m not sure if it’s just a case of town misinterpreting me but it feels more like a wolf grasping for ways to twist what I’ve said into potential scumtells for the sake of pushing me.

I just think Arete’s overall case on me is actually not that strong and has a lot of holes in it that can only be chalked up to 1. opportunistic wolf or 2. misinterpretation because lol town can’t read, but Arete’s smarter than that and I think this is just plain wolfy at this point.

I gave this a lot of thought in the past hour or two so I figured I’d post this while my head is clear and I think my logic is pretty sound. I also know there is at least one person who will jump on me for this post and say “it’s a lot of information with no actual content” but you know what, I don’t really care because it’s actually not AI for me. And here I am giving an actual conclusion that I think Arete is a wolf. This is not an OMGUS. I have a tendency to read people back when they scumread me, and for the most part it ends up being townreads (which have so far turned out correct). If I actually scumread someone for scumreading me, it’s because I feel there are serious flaws in their arguments, as I’ve pointed out here. I will absolutely listen to counterpoints to everything I’ve said, and I will still consider that a world exists in which Arete is town, but this interaction with them did not convince me of it. They were sitting closer to my nullreads before, and now I kind of want to drop them farther down than Chloe.

tl;dr - the summary title says it all. don’t bother reading if you don’t like words.

[quote=“WindwardAway, post:4870, topic:85810”]

@Arete

if you think Marshal is town and I’m a wolf with Chloe then how about you help me kill Chloe, then
[/quote]

classic misinterpretation.
no, if you and Chloe are both wolves then I think it’s really just all three of you. but I think there’s more of a chance that one of you is a wolf with Marshal, and not both.

@WindwardAway

also ftr I’m fine with CFDing today to Arete but I also don’t see it happening, the way the wagons are going lol

[quote=“WindwardAway, post:4875, topic:85810”]

@Arete

what I meant was that it felt like you were forcing yourself to come out with Marshal as wolfier than Chloe/Chloe as townier
[/quote]

to answer this part, I’ll say it’s because the wagonomics make me really think there’s more evidence currently stacked against Marshal than against Chloe

[quote=“WindwardAway, post:4887, topic:85810”]

@Arete

okay but you’ve been making the argument that you’d rather vote Marshal than Chloe for like, the entire day, way before the current wagons shook out the way they were
[/quote]

I thought there was some more evidence stacked against Marshal than Chloe but after the wagons I thought there was substantially more evidence

[quote=“WindwardAway, post:4888, topic:85810”]

@Arete

okay so why is Marshal wagoning Mist a point for Marshal being wolfier than Chloe
[/quote]

this also looked wolfy and I’m not ignoring it. But Marshal started the wagon and it was legitimately a bad push.

@WindwardAway

the thing is that it would be very easy to convince town to hop on a Mist wagon because she was LHF so I still think Marshal leading the wagon jump is wolfier than anyone following it? is that not a legit reason?

[quote=“WindwardAway, post:5487, topic:85810”]

@Arete

also, basically the entire game has suggested that we just chainyeet the two of them, which I think would be a less popular suggestion in a W/V world
[/quote]

disagree
we’re trying to get sketchy slots out so they’re not still sitting here in LyLo
I want these slots to resolve before we get to a point in the game where it’s actually critical

@WindwardAway

oh

ok I might be able to agree with that but hasn’t it only been Gorta, Chloe, Blizer and me who were ok with that? or were there others I missed

@WindwardAway

considering my “Arete is a wolf” conclusion was after I actually thought their slot was null or at least townier than most others in my PoE, I don’t think I was confbiased in making it

@WindwardAway

I swear Arete looks like they’re TMI’ing at least one of you as town

@WindwardAway

because I see it as highly unlikely, but I also just see you as wolfing throughout the day so I’m not taking anything you say as 100% seriously.

@WindwardAway

yeah Arete’s pushing agenda lol

this is just a confirmation of it

[quote=“WindwardAway, post:5620, topic:85810”]

@Arete

me: ‘what if Marshal and Chloe are V/V’

every slot that’s been going UTR today and coasting off of the Marshal Chloe dome (and some that haven’t, to be fair, but that’s not the point): ‘wow Arete must be a wolf’
[/quote]

why do you turn every response to your posts into a victimized complaint?
I mean it just looks like the way you’re doing this is making everyone else out to be picking on you for no reason, but there are definite reasons at this point to SR you.

@WindwardAway

yeah see Arete’s pushing the same agenda they set up earlier in the day where I’m a wolf lol

@WindwardAway

the reason I’m very interested in Arete’s slot is not just because they’re pushing me.

it’s because in all the games I’ve previously specced that Arete has been in, I fairly consistently TR’d them, even when they were scum.
And it’s not happening here. I wonder why.

@Arete I am not SRing you because of your push on Chloe. Literally anyone could’ve pushed on Chloe for her D1 opener, although it was easier for wolves to grab onto a target if she’s town (and if she’s a wolf, she’s an easy bus anyway). I think a lot of town has been SRing Chloe so that’s not a valid reason to point at you and say you’re a wolf.

@WindwardAway

@Arete

Wind you’re not trying to evaluate my mindset for doing anything you’re just going ‘Arete has a TAKE that I DON’T LIKE so it must be agenda’ rather than trying to figure out what my motivation would be for having that take as each alignment (especially given that none of the people that the take in question is about have even flipped yet)

I think you’re a better villager than that
[/quote]

This is like a desperate pocket attempt but it ain’t gonna work tbh

It literally has nothing to do with whether I do or don’t like your takes. Look at my post against you again.

@WindwardAway

I’ll continue to push on Arete tbh, they’re not making their slot look better right now

@WindwardAway

this is because you literally missed the point of what I said.

I didn’t say right away that I didn’t think they’re v/v, I said you looked like you TMI’d at least one (read: if not both) as town.

PART 3: PARAPHRASING (more parts = more dramatic effect and im in a dramatic mood)

Sulit! How does this
make windward a wolf!

Arete Points

• Wind is forcing themselves to come to conclusions and going into reads with something in mind instead of evaluating them.
• When you look at Wind’s evidence, it looks like they had an conclusion in mind instead of working your way there
• Wind is not trying to evaluate my mindset or figure out my motivation and instead just wolfreading me for not liking my take, and I think they’re better than that
• Wind jumped straight to thinking that I had TMI rather than considering what I’m saying, which makes sense from the perspective of a wolf who wants to maintain status quo
• Wind keeps having a conclusion in mind before posting and is not considering multiple perspectives
• Wind’s arguments and POV don’t make sense
• A lot of Wind’s reads look like they’re ingenuine and in bad faith
• Wind doesn’t actually respond to any of my arguments or points and aren’t considering my arguments in good faith. They could be a villager tunneled, but they are looking at my post only from the point of view that I’m a wolf

Windward Points

• It’s weird how Arete called me wolfy after I posted my readslist
• Arete was quick to derpclear me
• Arete considering my derpclear is wolfy
• I don’t understand how what Arete is arguing makes me wolfy
• Arete is a wolf grasping for ways to twist what I’ve said into scumtells to push me
• Arete’s case against me isn’t strong and its misrepping and misinterpretation
• Arete is misrepping me
• Me and Arete don’t get lynched
• Arete is tmi’ing people town
• Arete is pushing agenda!!
• Arete is turning EVERY response into a victimized complaint and its lamist
• I’m not TRing Arete here they’re scum
• Arete is trying to pocket me while… scumreading me?
• Arete is super wolfy they’re discrediting reads
• Arete concluding I’m a wolf or a bad villager is bad
• Arete put me in their POE
• Arete is twisting my words
• Arete isn’t responding to pressure well

PART 4: SULIT WHAT THE FUCK DOES THIS MEAN

Wind objectively only evaluates and pushes Arete from a lock wolf, nonlogical stance. It’s like they’re telling themselves “gotta push arete” instead of “arete should be a wolf? I think arete is a wolf.”

Reading through Wind and Arete’s posts and debate simultaneously, I just can’t really see where Wind got a majority of their thoughts and tinfoils on Arete’s slot from a logical standpoint. Even from a tunneled standpoint, Arete is a wolf pushing me standpoint, a majority of these don’t make sense and aren’t really backed up with any evidence, digression, or reasoning.

I just can’t see where some of these thoughts come from, like Wind is pushing that Arete is misrepping their arguments when they’re like 10000000 miles off from what Arete is actually arguing

Sulit! Why isn’t this just a villager being a villager being a villager or something??

Well it could be!!! I guess!!! but its wolfy how they misrepped, handled, and discarding Arete’s reasoning, painting them solely in the light of a wolfy pushing agenda and very rarely trying to evaluate Arete from a villagery standpoint. And Wind didn’t even try to push this as a lynch.

Sulit!!! You’re being dumb!!!

PART 5: SULIT IS MAYBE NOT BEING DUMB???

This is the final read Arete posted on Wind’s slot

@Arete

Wind: basically every read they’ve made this game has been forcing a conclusion/only considering things from the PoV of the conclusion they want, e.g. with one of their reads on me they were like ‘well Arete has been derpclearing people, and also pushing people, which could come from a wolf trying to pocket people and push miselims’ but never tried to consider or evaluate whether it made sense from a town perspective (they haven’t just been doing it with their read on me, they’ve been doing it with literally all their reads, this is just the first one that came to mind). they’ve also been misrepresenting more-or-less everything I’ve said, there are a handful of times where I can sort of see how someone could come to the conclusion they did once they explained it but for most of them … I have enough faith in their intelligence to believe that it wasn’t just a misunderstanding. Their reaction to my big wallpost also sucked, they basically tried to shade me by nitpicking minor details of what exactly my PoE was (which wasn’t remotely the point) and largely ignored the actual arguments until they were actually pressed on it. I think if I do end up flipping they’ll be very easy to read tomorrow based on how they end up reacting?

They were pretty confident they were a wolf

Sulit??? sulit don’t tell me you’re calling someone scum off of a night kill

Not just that!! i swear!!

Right so I’m pretty confident Arete would go into this day pushing specifically Windward, which is also a Point TM

But the thing I specifically find weird about this is that people have been pushing the narrative that CHLOE is a wolf since arete died

but no one has really brought up and pushed that Windward is a wolf since Arete died
Which i think kinda eliminates Arete being killed so that wolves could push them as a ml?
and is also just kinda weird in general i think

brain go buzz
i think whe

PART 6: GET ON WITH IT SULIT GOD DAMN

I think Windward is a wolf because of the way they approached Arete’s push on them and the night kill. It felt blatantly mis-reppy and TMI’y and I couldn’t really find villa motivation in the posts. Some of the posts pushing Arete also felt like, really wolfy to me

yeet (has commentary)

@WindwardAway

anyway, really honestly, Arete’s conclusion that I either have to be a wolf or a really bad villager because my reads don’t match theirs is pretty bad

Arete never said this point? Arete never mentioned Windward’s reads being different than theirs? Arete’s conclusion is literally that they’re a wolf or a villagery because they think Wind’s been scummy? What?

@WindwardAway

because Arete has literally been pushing me for saying I don’t want to change my reads and then calling me a wolf for it or otherwise a bad villager

Arete hasn’t pushed on Wind for this whatsoever!!! ???/

@WindwardAway

give another wallpost, make town think again, case me/FK/Centuries and honestly? try harder to make me change my mind on this.

This… is just non sensical and just blatantly pushing the ARETE IS POWERWOLFING AND BIG BRAINING YOU ALL angle with like no basis? Why are they so concerned about this? Where did this come from? What?

@WindwardAway

and I see a lot of underlying motive from you in particular

This comment just felt slimy tbh

@WindwardAway

same goes for you

I actually think you’re one of the top players on the forums and I admitted to struggling to read your slot
but I see you sidelining all of my arguments by simply saying that I’m misreading everything you’re saying
which is frankly getting kind of old

This post sucks because this is genuinely what Wind is doing. They never actually engage with Arete’s actual arguments. Its just… agenda-y

@WindwardAway

the thing is just that Arete is not responding particularly well to my pressure imo

Why? What? Just because they’re getting upset? Huh?

@WindwardAway

your responses have not been good

Why! You never engage with Arete’s actualy points!

@WindwardAway

rete, neither of us is getting yeeted today

Neither of you are getting yeeted today despite repeatedly believing arete is blatantly pushing agenda. yes. cool. really villagery.

@WindwardAway

yeah Arete’s pushing agenda lol

this is just a confirmation of it

!!!???!!???!!??!?!?

@WindwardAway

yeah see Arete’s pushing the same agenda they set up earlier in the day where I’m a wolf lol

!!//!?!/1/.2rmw!irse

@WindwardAway

he reason I’m very interested in Arete’s slot is not just because they’re pushing me.

it’s because in all the games I’ve previously specced that Arete has been in, I fairly consistently TR’d them, even when they were scum.
And it’s not happening here. I wonder why.

@Arete I am not SRing you because of your push on Chloe. Literally anyone could’ve pushed on Chloe for her D1 opener, although it was easier for wolves to grab onto a target if she’s town (and if she’s a wolf, she’s an easy bus anyway). I think a lot of town has been SRing Chloe so that’s not a valid reason to point at you and say you’re a wolf.

I gave my case on you earlier because I wasn’t satisfied with your interaction with me, and also with Gorta, and I will quote it again just to prove my point.

Arete is a wolf because im scumreading this game and i usually townread them!!

@WindwardAway

I’ll continue to push on Arete tbh, they’re not making their slot look better right now

What villager pov thinks “im going to keep pushing on arete” vs “i still think this is wolfy” or “tihs post or bad” this wording just put me off tbh

PART 7: KIRBY

KIRBY

Lets

re-eval this wall from Sulit here

this is an good starting point i think for this wind re-eval

[Leafia]

I just think it’s a ppl possibility that needs to be considered er red.

[Chloe]

@Leafia

I came to a realization last night. We live in one of three worlds. An FK/Blizen world, an FK/Chloe world, or a Blizen Chloe world. Of the three, I think FK/Chloe is the most likely. Take a look at the guide on how to play as mafia I posted a link to. Chloe has been playing l I’ll keep that’s her bible the entire game. We need to finally resolve Chloe today by yeeting her. /vote Chloe @katze

if you think Blizer is a wolf then why are you voting me
you’re actively calling him out for agenda rn
yet in your mind you think the most likely team is fk/me

theres a logical disconnect
can you spell out your thought process please

and also can you tell me who you view as town right now please