Shortnight 2: Return of the POGGERS - Day 5 [6/15] - Mafoa win, Everybody (including chloe) loses

[WindwardAway]

I wanna know the answer to this, too, but I’m gonna fall asleep at any moment so I guess backreading is in order for me tomorrow lol.

[Leafia]

I don’t think any of them do honestly.

[Leafia]

Yeah, Light definitely seems like he wants to keep the status quo here and this post has convinced me that he’s likely to be a wolf. /vote Light @katze

[Aelin]

That’s a solid yikes from me

[Aelin]

“Light definitely seems like he wants to keep the status quo, that’s why he’s pushing Chloe and has Chloe, Blizer, and Wind in a team”

[Leafia]

I’ll take you considering that I could be a wolf as a compliment because if I’m a wolf here, I’ve improved a lot. Actually, regardless of my alignment, I think I’ve improved at least a bit, and I’m counting that as a win.

[Chloe]

you think fk is a wolf

but fk’s post convinced you that light is a wolf

and for… keeping the status quo?
what

[Chloe]

leafia what is this post dude

[Leafia]

I’m honestly starting to think Wind might be town here.

[katze]

Ban Count

Getting Banned	Banners	Votes to be Banned
Light	Chloe, Leafia	2/5
WindwardAway	Centuries	1/5
Chloe	Light	1/5
an_gorta_pratai	Firekitten	1/5
Not Voting	an_gorta_pratai, Grace, Blizer, WindwardAway	4

[Aelin]

@Firekitten

A player you really need to be on the watch for is the player who looks to maintain the status quo . This desire can be found through a number of sources: their votes, their reads progressions or lack thereof, their treatment of slots, their hesitation to seriously push the first listed player archetype here, their insistence that “the POE is good, we just misfired a couple of times,” etc. Understand that the situation you’re in and the current status quo is unfavorable for your alignment and that wolves, at this stage in the game, want to maintain it. At its very core, this is what you need to be able to realize and identify. Act accordingly once and if you’ve found someone that fits this description.

And yet, it’s quite evident that you can see the progression in my thoughts and reads.

@Leafia

As for Light, he’s acting the same way I feel right now. Sure, I can sort of see why people would scumread him, but Sulit was acting the same way he is now and she was a villager. Also, he was looking very villagery D1 and D2 if I recall.

@Leafia

Light I’m virtually certain is town.

As for keeping the status quo, and “the POE is good, we just misfired a couple of times,”

@Aelin

The problem is… I don’t even think we as a town have been playing poorly. I think the mafia are just… really strong.

@Aelin

I… felt the opposite about Chloe actually. Especially with her flip on Sulit and Sulit’s flip.

@Aelin

I was voting Osie until I tried to case them and realized they were townie

@Aelin

I was mainly focused on Osie because that was the only read I had any real stock in and then I ISO’d him and realized he was towny when I removed personal bias

@Aelin

I’m going to say that the scum is within Chloe/Blizer/Gorta/Centuries/Wind

@Aelin

GTH scumteam is you/Blizer/Wind

@Aelin

JoJo, she wasn’t around exactly at day start but quickly came in and started pressuring a slot (Napoleon). I really can’t go “this is why”, but it feels like she’s much more comfortable in thread and her posts are direct responses to things occuring going on around her. In Morpho, the comfort is back and she focuses on Vulgard (i noticed one of the things she said there is exactly what she said here regarding sulit, “2 hours to become a villager before I tunnel him into oblivion”. I really don’t know what to say except that it feels incredibly natural as compared to this game’s SoD1. In this game, she starts off feeling very… professional in thread, almost, and when she tries to meme it’s really really awkward.

@Aelin

I really don’t know where the wolves are if not you. Have they been hard-defending all of your flipped counterwagons? Marl, Arete, Marshal?

@Aelin

Read my wallpost on Osie. You can literally see exactly where I realize “oh. This… isn’t that scummy.” Which was also what I was going to do to get players off sulit because I literally stated I wasn’t confident in that, and then I went to sleep afterward, and you guys hammered three hours before EoD.

@Aelin

@Chloe

So there’s your answer

Find a 3rd wolf and see if it makes a viable team

You/Wind/Blizer does work from my eyes. You/Wind/FK doesn’t really. I don’t think you and FK are W/W.

@Chloe

I’ll answer your question later in the day, because, like i said, we’re 6 hours into the day and there’s plenty of time

No. Please, I insist. Answer it now. Thought experiment: We’re both town. You survive the night. Tomorrow, you go into LyLo with one of Grace, Gorta, or Leafia dead.

I’m not going to put this in a spoiler because that makes it easier for you guys to ignore it.

[Leafia]

Blizer is looking like a possible wolf right now, but I’m not certain.

[Aelin]

@Aelin

If Chloe is town:

1. Marl - Push suspicion on Chloe because her greatest pusher is dead, Marl was being annoying
2. Arete - Get rid of support for Chloe, active voice in thread, strong player overall who has become pretty widely townread
3. Osie - Was maybe shaking out a hidden wolf who was deep in the thread? Just active player generally TR’ed and me, their biggest (and really, only) pusher stopped pushing them?

If Chloe is scum:

1. Marl - Marl was going to end up getting Chloe yote if he had enough time. She’d much rather get him killed and try to deal with the fallout rather than take a guaranteed death.
2. Arete - Her strongest pusher, read her town at the time of her death. All of the sudden, her D1 push and “didn’t like your opener” is dead, flipped villager, and read her villager with Marshal flipped V.
3. Osie - Push agenda on the basis of “he disrupted the towncore, there’s definitely someone he found and they didn’t like that”. Once again, widely TR’ed, active, high WiM, and townread.

@Chloe
@Blizer
@Firekitten
@Centuries
@WindwardAway
I’d like your thoughts on this whenever you can, please.

[Leafia]

Marshal’s flip and Sulit’s flip.

[Leafia]

It could happen.

[Leafia]

I’m borderline thinking that Grace should be the first to vote in Lylo since everyone agrees on her being town and if the game doesn’t end immediately, we know she voted for a wolf.

[Leafia]

On the scumteam.

[Leafia]

I honestly don’t know if FK is a wolf any more to be honest.

[Chloe]

what the fuck

[Leafia]

A lot of people have mentioned it. Light seems like he’s comfortable with the status quo. Like he just doesn’t care any more.