Social Rework (v2)

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#21

i like the psychic rework, can be powerful and way more fun to play

#22

If a Noble outs your bad logs, call him a liar. If he proves himself with force-vote, call him an Aristocrat or Apostle. I don’t think those are good arguments, they all wrongly assume the Noble is above suspicion.

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#23

Because it’s inherently provable that he has the ability to Snoop, and it’s usually better to trust the accuser in that situation given the current meta and the fact that Aristocrats don’t usually stay such for long.

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#24

You can say the Noble is Aristocrat or Assassin now making stuff up. There’s no proof he snooped you last night, just rewrite your last night’s logs and use that as “proof” he’s lying. Just because the meta is trust the accuser doesn’t mean we should do away with Snoop, the meta is a horrible indicator because of the wide range of skill levels in the same lobby.

If you are so sure people will trust such an accusation, make fake accusations just like it. Say you snooped this guy and he had bad logs. If people require you to force-vote to prove yourself, that’s a reason we need a universal bewilder ability, not a reason to get rid of snoop.

#25

Pros/Cons to Snoop

Pro:

  • Interesting power (that’s basically it)

Cons:

  • Impossible to anticipate
  • Easily provable
  • Forces evils to leave info that could work against them
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#26

Your “Pro” makes it seem useless but your “Cons” makes it seem OP. I don’t think your portrayal is accurate or even makes sense.

#27

That’s my judgement

It is limited uses though

Still

#28

Like I said, your judgement contradicts itself.

#29

Interesting power doesn’t mean weak y’know

#30

You said it’s interesting and “that’s basically it” so yeah you implied it’s weak lol

#31

I mean it doesn’t add anything to the game. It just restricts what evils can do with logs

#32

It adds a way for people to investigate others … how does it not add anything to the game? You are speaking as if a Snoop guarantees your death, that simply isn’t true, it’s a double-edged sword as I explained earlier. If you are so sure that Snoop claims get people hung, next time you’re evil say you snooped someone with bad logs and see how that works out for you.

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#33

It’s a Psychic link you aren’t made aware of.

#34

What’s your point? Just because Telepathy says you were linked and refused to respond doesn’t mean it’s true. Just because someone says you were snooped with blank logs doesn’t mean it’s true either. Ironically I just realized a counter to Noble snoop - keeping blank logs. If Noble catches you, paste your private journal logs. Now the Noble is the one who looks suspicious =)

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#35

Tell me the last time this defense saved anyone

On top of that, tell me the last time the person lynched wasn’t evil

#36

I once caught someone with blank logs and they pasted their private journal logs on stand. I don’t remember if they got hung anyway but that isn’t important.

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#37

You seem to forget that if you try to accuse someone with a noble claim then they will just try and make you force vote some one.

If you are Noble/Apostle then you can pull it off but that would get you killed in the process. Maybe that’s ok but usually that isn’t.

#38

It is actually both of those things

#39

You seem to forget that if you try to accuse someone with a noble claim then they will just try and make you force vote some one.

I did not forget, I pointed out that that is a reason for a buffed Bewilder, and not a reason to get rid of Snoop or call it overpowered. Easy confirmability is a general problem and not specific to Snoop.

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#40

Buffed bewilder is great if your trying to get a noble misslynched. However no one will take you seriously on the accusation end of things.