Social Rework (v2)

[Shrimpy]

They will, once buffed bewilder is implemented. At least, in a lobby of experienced players.

[NuclearBurrito]

Just like how people buy your Obs logs that say you have been occupied the whole time or how people care when you claim that the telepathy message accusing you is an Illusionist.

[Shrimpy]

The cases are not comparable. How is that an analogy? Besides, I’ve seen people refuse to believe my telepathy as Illusionist before.

[NuclearBurrito]

Just because a valid defence exists doesn’t mean it can get people to buy your claims. That’s my point.

[NuclearBurrito]

The only one which is common enough to actually work as a defence is the scorned.

[Shrimpy]

Scorned is in like what, half of games? Bewilder will be in every game. It will be a stronger defense than Scorned.

[NuclearBurrito]

Bewilder is in any game with an Invoker. That’s not every game.

I guess it MIGHT be enough games but I kinda doubt it.

[Livicus]

Not really, it’s almost always Ritualists and Seekers that get converted

[Shrimpy]

It’s proposed that Bewilder be an ability of the Unseen too. And it doesn’t even need to be in every game, just have a reasonable chance of being used (like Scorned frame).

[RHCube]

@NightX

Day Ability: Reveal Transcripts: Learn the last four whispers to and from your target (even between days). 4 uses.

This could also be a snoop replacement instead: Transcript(2 uses) - reveal all whispers to and from your target. Can work on the dead.

@NightX

Night Ability: Forge: Get a copy of your target’s logs. If they die, hide them from the public. 2 uses.

This should just allow you to edit your target’s logs instead.

@NightX

Day Ability: Focus Link: Reset the cool down for Alter Link. 2 uses.

Change this so it removes a target instead, and give it unlimited uses.

@NightX

Day Ability: Telepathy: Send an anonymous message to everyone. 2 uses.

This should make your chat anonymous for the rest of the day(it would be toggleable), and give it unlimited uses. This would make it so psychic’s can’t waste uses of it.

@NightX

Night Ability: Alter Link: Target player is immediately added to the astral network. If they are already in the astral network they are immediately removed. The network cannot have more than 4 other players at once. Unlimited uses. 1 day cool down.

Rename this to conduit. Change this so it just adds your target to the network(this is because players wouldn’t be likely to claim if there are other players listening). Remove the network limit(or at least say why it should have one). Also remove the cooldown. This makes it very slow for the psychic to gather claims(N1: add a player. N2: nothing. N3: remove a player. N4: nothing. N5: add a player). I know that it’s for apostle, but they will already be suspicious when they haven’t added a player. And they could just change their claim if they haven’t been jailed. Even if they have, this will force the prince to reveal themselves.

@NightX

Night Ability: Alter Link: Target player is immediately added to the astral network. If they are already in the astral network they are immediately removed. The network cannot have more than 4 other players at once. Unlimited uses… 1 day cool down.

Illusionist shouldn’t have this. People won’t be likely to claim if they could be converted. Replace this with hypnotize(select a false night feedback result for your target to receive)

@Shrimpy

It’s proposed that Bewilder be an ability of the Unseen too. And it doesn’t even need to be in every game, just have a reasonable chance of being used (like Scorned frame).

Maybe it could work as a nightshade wine replacement for butler. Nightshade wine doesn’t fit with the rest of butler’s abilities anyways, and bewilder does.

[NuclearBurrito]

@RHCube

Change this so it just adds your target to the network(this is because players wouldn’t be likely to claim if there are other players listening).

You say that other people being there is a flaw and then you do nothing to fix it with any of your suggestions.

@RHCube

Remove the network limit(or at least say why it should have one).

So that at any given moment (not counting end game) most people will always be outside of the network. It’s designed to be a small group not additional day chat time with a (pointlessly) Anonymous member.

@RHCube

Also remove the cooldown. This makes it very slow for the psychic to gather claims

This Psychic rework is Not designed to gather claims effectively. She is designed to coordinate a group of players. Usually ones who already trust each other for whatever reason (or at least pretend to).

@RHCube

And they could just change their claim if they haven’t been jailed. Even if they have, this will force the prince to reveal themselves.

Not if you have claimed to the network (which you likely have due to the fact that you should be linking trustworthy players unlike the current Psychic who tries to link untrustworthy players for interagation).

[RHCube]

@NuclearBurrito

You say that other people being there is a flaw and then you do nothing to fix it with any of your suggestions.

Other people being there is not a flaw, adding people slowly is. And I did suggest changes, removing the cooldown and changing focus link so it just removes a player would fix that.

@NuclearBurrito

This Psychic rework is Not designed to gather claims effectively. She is designed to coordinate a group of players. Usually ones who already trust each other for whatever reason (or at least pretend to).

But it still adds people to slowly. At the very least remove the cooldown, change alter link so it just adds a player, change focus link so it removes a player, and give focus link unlimited uses.

@NuclearBurrito

Not if you have claimed to the network (which you likely have due to the fact that you should be linking trustworthy players unlike the current Psychic who tries to link untrustworthy players for interagation).

But they will still find you suspicious if you haven’t linked anyone. And they will be unlikely to give you information if you could be converted.

[NightX]

@RHCube

But it still adds people to slowly. At the very least remove the cooldown, change alter link so it just adds a player, change focus link so it removes a player, and give focus link unlimited uses.

NuclearBurrito:

It’s conversion speed. The Cult and Unseen add members fast enough, don’t they? If it was 1 per night, people would be added at a breckneak speed.

@RHCube

But they will still find you suspicious if you haven’t linked anyone. And they will be unlikely to give you information if you could be converted.

That’s part of the reason there is a cool down. And even if the Psychic isn’t trustworthy, you can still coordinate with the other linked players.

[RHCube]

@NightX

It’s conversion speed. The Cult and Unseen add members fast enough, don’t they? If it was 1 per night, people would be added at a breckneak speed.

But they’re completely different powers. Their only similarities are that they both give their targets a new night chat.

@NightX

That’s part of the reason there is a cool down.

It’s also why there shouldn’t be one though.

@NightX

And even if the Psychic isn’t trustworthy, you can still coordinate with the other linked players.

Exactly. You could just say that you have just been coordinating rather than adding new players.

[NightX]

@RHCube

But they’re completely different powers. Their only similarities are that they both give their targets a new night chat.

NightX:

They are quite similar in the night chat respect. It just doesn’t change the alignment,

@RHCube

It’s also why there shouldn’t be one though.

How?

[RHCube]

Because having a cooldown just gives you more time. Not having one makes it easier to expand the network. With your version, it would take 8 nights to complete the network, more if someone dies.

[NuclearBurrito]

That’s what focus link is for.

[Shrimpy]

Maybe it could work as a nightshade wine replacement for butler. Nightshade wine doesn’t fit with the rest of butler’s abilities anyways, and bewilder does.

But Nightshade wine is a fun addition to a relatively boring class, and makes the Butler feel powerful. My last Psycho King game I killed the Butler first because this lowly class was my greatest enemy. At the very least, poisoning the King fits the Butler’s lore. I think Assassin’s distract should be replaced with Bewilder.

[RHCube]

@NightX

Tell me if you have any ideas to replace Snoop. Preferably whisper based.

Here’s an idea:
Make reveal transcripts into a night ability:
Reveal Transcripts(1 or 2 use) - Reveal all whispers to and from your target. Can target the king and the dead.

@NuclearBurrito

That’s what focus link is for.

It should at least have more uses then. 3 or 4 would be good.

@Shrimpy

But Nightshade wine is a fun addition to a relatively boring class

Butler is offensive though, not killer. Nightshade wine should be given to another class, maybe knight instead. And balance > lore.

[Shrimpy]

Butler is offensive though, not killer. Nightshade wine should be given to another class, maybe knight instead. And balance > lore.

I agree that lore alone is not a justification, but the class type argument is also weak and fun is the most important thing. I think being able to kill the King is a really fun ability for Butler (Knight already has a killing ability). Fitting with the lore is just a bonus.