[Standard] NUF FM 2 - GAME OVER (MAFIA + NEUTRAL VICTORY)

[Intensify]

@GonZ

@Intensify

Can’t wait to wake up to see 2000 new posts

If that happen i think i’ll be subbing early… >_>

SFoL war flashbacks intensifies

@lol

first instinct on why min was killed is they were scumread by pretty much no one

They weren’t really townread by anyone else though either. They were just sorta floating in the middle of everyone’s read list I think.

@lol

can anyone explain his read on gorta? that sounds really helpful

It’s a metaread from Marl.

Basically something something Gorta not giving any crap = rand Town.

Uhh it sounds really dumb on paper… but I mean Gorta usually slacks so like weh.

@clonedcheese

@Marluxion sorry about that ._.
To be fair i hope you see that my arguments didnt have any glaring errors

You probably could’ve expressed this better… cause your post before Marl lonch compared to this seems a little contridictary? You were like going “Marl needs to die” and “Sacrifice Marl to the blood gods!” while he was still top wagon and it your posts there didn’t really give me the “I was hoping you could find errors in my push” sort of feel.

@lol

@WindwardAway

(and also RIP 100% readrate on Marl)

was the 100% more than 5 games correct or was it like ‘‘oh we played twice together and i read him correctly both times, pogger’’

Well… it’s like 5 times probably?
BOTF Clown Fiesta
SFOL 64 (Granted they were town masons but weh)
Joat13
Something else I’m probably forgetting…

@lol

@Intensify

So how come you don’t just vote Wind right now

lazy

@lol

@PokemonKidRyan

No U

(this is in response to eli pinging people to vote someone)
i thought it was his final posts, but he made more:

after that he makes many more posts , a bunch of reads, analyzing wagon formations, then memes a bit and leaves. i don’t see why he couldn’t vote evo here to save marl if he really was a townread

/vote pkr @Zone_Q11

Now that you mention this, I should probably look into this more.
I mostly sorta just forgot about PKR after making my scumread on them halfway through the day, but you do mention some interesting content from PKR during EoD now that I see it…

@WindwardAway

@Intensify

Now, I don’t specifically read some of the players you put as “don’t yeet this” as either town or scum, since I don’t have a proper opinion on most of them yet, but what makes you feel like some of them are scum and therefore your readlist needs some restructuring rather than some of them are just wrong?

Tbh partly because Marl said once he flips we should be revising our readlists

Fair enough.

@WindwardAway

@Intensify

I feel like some of the small reads and thoughts Min left behind are stuff that scum don’t generally really care, think or remember about at all?

Some aren’t, but basically the only people anyone was looking at by the end of yesterday were Marl and EVO, Marl is dead town, and there are probably three wolves so even if EVO is a wolf it leaves us with two.
The other thing that comes to mind is whether or not Min was protecting any slots, but the only clear townread they expressed was on Cloned (in contrast to Marl’s read on him).

Well yeah.
My point here is that the smol reads that Min made shouldn’t really have a big impact/influence on our current reads because scum probably don’t even remember them or care about them.

@WindwardAway

@lol

first instinct on why min was killed is they were scumread by pretty much no one

Marl had been strongly scumreading min, though. He only took my word for min probably being town and still continued to suspect them toward EoD from what I could tell, but had them as a no yeet because I said so. So imo min could still have been set up as a yeet today, but they’re just kind of hard to ML as town from what I remember, and that would mean one of the scum recognized that already.

This makes me feel like scum just didn’t think about their scumkill at all and just randomly picked someone, but weh tinfoil.

@lol

sheeping @Marluxion if he is wrong he deserved to be lynched

Correct me if I’m wrong but I’m pretty sure there’s a difference between Wind respecting Marl’s dead reads and Wind hypersheeping Marl’s dead reads and I’m pretty sure the first one is what they’re doing.

Pretty sure Marl even told Wind to follow his read and thoughts after his lonch, and to not give up and lose all her WiM, so it’d be a dick move to not atleast take a look at what Marl left behind as a legacy.

@lol

also partially because fuck reading that iso

Wind’s or Marl’s?

@lol

im assuming 4 mafia so placing pkr/eevee/eli/intensify as my guess for d2
last 2 are blind guesses from poe

Rude.

But why?

I know you explained PKR/Eevee and thought their interaction at SoD1 was wolf theatre but why do you scumread me and Eli?

@Tilgarial

On the other hand, decora voted no exe and stayed on no exe the entire day.
That carries the same sus for me, yes

Alright cool. Thanks for answering my question.

@Tilgarial

Intensify: While I don’t agree with all of their reads

Which reads do you disagree with?

@PokemonKidRyan

Oh heck it, since Tilgarial just posted that I guess I need to do what I wanted because I feel like there’s multiple problems here.

(This is going to make me a target and disliked and I know it. But fuck it, I’m doing it anyway)

@clonedcheese I do not want you to full claim. However, I want you to claim if you’re a PR or not. If you’re non PR then people shouldn’t check you during the night. Also I think that you have been acting clueless with no info meaning non investigative anyway. So if you’re already giving that away you should go further.

Why do you want Cloned to claim PR or non-PR now?

This seems pointless pretty sure.

Investigatives will check whoever they consider scum, why does it matter if they are PR or not?

@an_gorta_pratai

also no one is going to read that wallpost Wind, I know I didn’t

Foolish Gorta, you underestimate me and my tenacity after playing 1K hour of torture button simulator

@PokemonKidRyan

It’s not. And the fact you’re “hoping” means it was unintentional and thus a legit slip.

GG

This is probably a meme post but wat

@lol

also if im mafia and evo is too what’s the point for me to make myself suspicious, which im not to begin with, to the point where i get lynched? what kind of role even justifies that? evo would just die d3 and i would die too, which is a shit position to be in for mafia

Anti-spew?

I think that’s what they’re trying to get at for your case

@WindwardAway

I hear most people say that scumslips are a myth
on the other hand, every time I’ve called someone out on a scumslip they’ve been scum so shrug
there’s some merit to them, but take it with a grain of salt if you’re not the one who noticed it first tbh.

I mean from what I’ve seen, most people when they say they found a scumslip are just trying to death tunnel someone really hard and there is no scumslip at all.

It’s more like them going calling it TMI rather than a scumslip.

@EVO

Can I start this out by saying that any PR that can heal at night being on me might be wise after saying this.

So I’m a PR, and I have a redcheck that I’ve been conflicted on sharing, being a closed setup and all so not knowing how reliable my ability is.

I’m going to assume there is no healer and that today is my last day before I get bonked, so I’ll do my best to leave a variety of reads, and the results of the check before the EoD.

Interesting… that is spicy.

Not sure why you would be concerned though? It’s natural to hold back a redcheck for a day if you want to judge interactions and stuff but I’m not sure what mechanic would do that? Like you have millers I guess, and framers/mindwarpers, but weh.

@PokemonKidRyan

I think EVO should out the check now.
So that way we can get reactions and analyse things.

Instead of just waiting and saying it before EoD.

I disagree.

I think he should hold on until halfway of the day. Revealing a little early is a little meh and sorta corners town into doing X or Y and completely ignore some things.

Also this post gives me wierd vibes I don’t like it.

@Aelin

what the fuck
i was writing a wallpost and then forums just deleted it

@Aelin

i went into an iso and then back out and went back to the post number and it deleted all but my first quote

here is why you should use a notepad for wallposts like I am doing right now.

@EVO

This is kinda where I am at without taking my redcheck into consideration.

Fancy but how do I read this.

Why am I scum zone?

Is it because you’re hoping to pressure me?

Min read maybe because the arrow is leading there?

Some other reason???

@WindwardAway

doesnt look that random when you consider that Marl SR’d Intensify and Min was at least questioning some of Intensify’s posts

Min had like two posts on me that were NAI and that I honestly couldn’t care about if I was scum why is Wind acting like it’s some sort of strong scumlean from Min against me??

@Aelin

@Intensify

Ow.

Anyways.

/vote EVO

I gave this slot some time during EoD to build a case for someone… didn’t do much during EOD… very unsatisfied with it.

Intensify starts off with a pretty ‘meh’ vote after a bad vote the day prior that ended in a ml.

What’s wrong with my reasoning?

@Aelin

Intensify - Stated he didn’t have a read on either, and that despite two of his townleans were on EVO’s wagon, Wind and Cloned had a stronger case which he agreed with. On the vote, he basically told Marl to try and convince him which isn’t terrible , but it was very obvious that Marl wasn’t going to do a lot of convincing.

Well no I did it to encourage EVO to give me a proper case since I was willing to hear him out but he didn’t do much so that failed.

@WindwardAway

You know what

/vote Intensify @Zone_Q11

Independently of EVOs Venn diagram, I’m leaning toward Intensify scum from wagonomics and lack of strong opinions yesterday.

ok.

Why are you expecting me to have strong reads from yesterday?

@GonZ

I refuse!!

Daga Kotowaru

@WindwardAway

but he was also one of Marl’s scumreads so I’m gonna be looking at him for a little while.

His scumread on me was “hey intensify not doing the thing he did from last town game and then nothing else.”

Like I don’t get why everyone is expecting me to have god reads or some crap by the end of day 1…

Like wtf did Catgirl Jester Nightless do how I appeared to everyone.

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ConclusIon?: No idea I spent 4 hours on this and I need help.

I like lol a lot better now actually, they have an aggressive tone but it’s a good one, so I’ll give them a townlean. Other than that… I’m still pushing EVO. The redcheck is interesting but we’ll see. I don’t expect EVO to be hammered so there’s enough time for him to out the redcheck.

[WindwardAway]

that was a huge wowee image lol

@Intensify

Also this post gives me wierd vibes I don’t like it.

can agree with this. PKR did it earlier when asking Cloned to out as well and then said he knew it would result in him getting SR’d so uh, idk what to think about that. Kind of aggressive and I suspect there’s a reason for it but I didn’t want to delve into that right away.

@Intensify

Min had like two posts on me that were NAI and that I honestly couldn’t care about if I was scum why is Wind acting like it’s some sort of strong scumlean from Min against me??

eh, just that min didn’t TR you
they did TR Cloned though and I think that’s the only TR they mentioned

@Intensify

Why are you expecting me to have strong reads from yesterday?

partly going off what Aelin said in the post you quoted from her, partly going off something Marl said as well. While I don’t think I’d be so easily willing to SR you purely off the game Marl is comparing you to, I have my own doubts on you. But you have the chance to prove me wrong, so be my guest.

@Intensify

Like wtf did Catgirl Jester Nightless do how I appeared to everyone.

Nah, not me. I’m taking into account BotF, as much as it may pain you, since you were town there and I read you wrong. Meaning that I obviously did not know how to read you correctly there, so what I was attempting to read you off there was not what I should have been reading you off.

[Intensify]

@WindwardAway

@Intensify

Min had like two posts on me that were NAI and that I honestly couldn’t care about if I was scum why is Wind acting like it’s some sort of strong scumlean from Min against me??

eh, just that min didn’t TR you
they did TR Cloned though and I think that’s the only TR they mentioned

I mean they didn’t townread many people. Why am I being singled out reee

@WindwardAway

@Intensify

Why are you expecting me to have strong reads from yesterday?

partly going off what Aelin said in the post you quoted from her, partly going off something Marl said as well. While I don’t think I’d be so easily willing to SR you purely off the game Marl is comparing you to, I have my own doubts on you. But you have the chance to prove me wrong, so be my guest.

They’re looking at Catgirl Jester Nightless and going “oh yeah Intensify not playing this way”, which is basically a crappy meta read. Like when has meta ever worked on me. I don’t play to a specific way so like I don’t know what else to tell you. There’s a lot more people here compared to CJN as well which makes a bigger difference. In CJN, people are stumping, so I took the initiative to you know, move the thread forward. In here, I just want to chill and be more relaxed but reeee they not allowing me to do it.

@WindwardAway

@Intensify

Like wtf did Catgirl Jester Nightless do how I appeared to everyone.

Nah, not me. I’m taking into account BotF, as much as it may pain you, since you were town there and I read you wrong . Meaning that I obviously did not know how to read you correctly there, so what I was attempting to read you off there was not what I should have been reading you off.

I play BOTF and FM differently tho.

In BOTF, I like to focus on the bluffing and lying aspect, which can be used to my advantage to further my win condition. In here, I obviously can’t bluff since it’s closed and it does almost nothing for me.

I also had strong mechanical knowledge that PKR was lying in BOTF, that being that I directly CC’ed PKR’s Amnesiac claim and thus was in a thunderdome with him.

And also like I said before, don’t try to metaread me, it doesn’t work. I’m not gonna play the exact same every time for some reason, cause I’m not like that.

There might be some things that I might just do in general, and they’re mostly NAI.

[WindwardAway]

@Intensify

In CJN, people are stumping, so I took the initiative to you know, move the thread forward. In here, I just want to chill and be more relaxed but reeee they not allowing me to do it.

that’s a completely fair point, yeah. I had no problem speccing the game because it was so slow lol.

@Intensify

And also like I said before, don’t try to metaread me, it doesn’t work. I’m not gonna play the exact same every time for some reason, cause I’m not like that.

eh, I wasn’t trying to metaread you. I know you had mech knowledge in BotF and it was a matter of convincing the rest of us that your mech knowledge was legit, but I meant more specifically that just comparing your previous games and comparing your tone did not work there. I’m mostly trying to get a hold of your thoughts and see how they’re formed to determine my read on you.

[Intensify]

@WindwardAway

@Intensify

And also like I said before, don’t try to metaread me, it doesn’t work. I’m not gonna play the exact same every time for some reason, cause I’m not like that.

eh, I wasn’t trying to metaread you. I know you had mech knowledge in BotF and it was a matter of convincing the rest of us that your mech knowledge was legit, but I meant more specifically that just comparing your previous games and comparing your tone did not work there. I’m mostly trying to get a hold of your thoughts and see how they’re formed to determine my read on you.

I mean alright if you want to toneread then go ahead.

I don’t think it’s effective, but shrug.

[Intensify]

Anyways.

I’m waiting for EVO to reveal their redcheck in about 3 hours since that’s when Half of day is over.

[WindwardAway]

no I said I’m not tonereading you

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[WindwardAway]

I thought you encouraged EVO to hold outing his check for another day, or did you just mean that’s sort of a normal thing?

[Intensify]

I said like until half of day passes, so in about 2 hours.

[GonZ]

During his controversy, i still feel he’s town lean. But around the EoD1 i think i saw him online and not seeing him vote anyone makes me sus of him…

[Intensify]

Me not cannot read.

My thoughts are yes.

I’m making more thoughts tho I think.

[WindwardAway]

@PokemonKidRyan

EVO could be voting for self preservation tbh so I can’t really scumread them for being on Marl’s wagon.

But if EVO is a wolf, 1 more teammate if not more is on the wagon and I’d lean cloned > lol > Wind > Min for likeliest teammate.

@PokemonKidRyan

Btw I’m saying this before anyone else can, just to take it away from people.

But yes, I recognise that by saying the last line, I’m just as easily going to be suspected as wolf setting up 4 potential mislynches and I accept that I might seem like that.

i forgot how self aware PKR’s been the whole time, and not just with saying he’d probably be SR’d for asking Cloned to out his role.

@PokemonKidRyan

I’ll give you one shot.
We have ITAs right?

last PKR posted was this post (still think it’s a pun and not a serious post) about 1 hour before EoD, if that’s what GonZ meant about seeing PKR online around EoD.

[GonZ]

Oh i guess pkr was waiting for the last minute to vote…

[clonedcheese]

Responding to pings and reading later

@Intensify

You probably could’ve expressed this better… cause your post before Marl lonch compared to this seems a little contridictary? You were like going “Marl needs to die” and “Sacrifice Marl to the blood gods!” while he was still top wagon and it your posts there didn’t really give me the “I was hoping you could find errors in my push” sort of feel.

Uhhh
That sentence says “hope you see i was mostly right in my reasoning, except for the fact that i was wrong”
Like “hope u understand that u were scummy”

[EVO]

@Intensify

@EVO

This is kinda where I am at without taking my redcheck into consideration.

Fancy but how do I read this.

Why am I scum zone?

Is it because you’re hoping to pressure me?

Min read maybe because the arrow is leading there?

Some other reason???

My post right after that addresses some of your concern.

@Intensify

Like I don’t get why everyone is expecting me to have god reads or some crap by the end of day 1…

And yet you wanted to force me to “make a case” at EoD1?

@Intensify

I’m waiting for EVO to reveal their redcheck in about 3 hours since that’s when Half of day is over.

If I don’t get more meaningful discussion I probably won’t even bother until I’m about to be lynched. Give me a case, Intensify.

[EVO]

@EVO

to be lynched

And by that I mean say my bit like marl and yeet myself lmfao

[EVO]

So far, I have PKR and Intensify nervous about my redcheck.

[EVO]

I think drawing out my reveal is more rewarding than not tbh

[an_gorta_pratai]

I’ll read it

@Intensify

Basically something something Gorta not giving any crap = rand Town.

Uhh it sounds really dumb on paper… but I mean Gorta usually slacks so like weh.

this meta read needs to die

[Intensify]

@EVO

@Intensify

Like I don’t get why everyone is expecting me to have god reads or some crap by the end of day 1…

And yet you wanted to force me to “make a case” at EoD1?

You were in the top wagon so I was expecting you to have some sort of case or something, or else how else would you normally get out of the top wagon? I’m not asking for all 15 reads from you either, I’m just asking for one case on someone.

@EVO

@Intensify

I’m waiting for EVO to reveal their redcheck in about 3 hours since that’s when Half of day is over.

If I don’t get more meaningful discussion I probably won’t even bother until I’m about to be lynched. Give me a case, Intensify

Well I don’t have much to say other than PKR also bad. Eli Tiger lol are pretty good. Wind and Eevee are trending up.